Everything Bargnani: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble

[RecklessIndifference]

I can see DeMar taking over as the Rap's Marquee player very early next season. If only Bargnani had DD's drive, work ethic....in the US basketball is a culture- overseas it's just a game.

I dont know about that.

I agree about what it is over here, it definitely is a culture.

But they take it pretty seriously over there.

[SirChillyMost]

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1st off don't talk about me unless you know what you're talking about- obviously you don't.

I respect the International game just not the International- especially the Euro players, that the Rap's have brought in outside of Barbosa, Delfino, Rasho & Garbo. So as Melle Mel would say- step off!!

When deciding to fill your roster with a mix international & US players as TO has done under BC, BC better be sure that they can play in the NBA 1st because there are many US players who are willing to work hard for a roster spot with just as much if not more basketball talent. As we all know TO has been a US/International experimental team under BC and it has blown up in his face with Bargnani as the Franchise(marque player) while Bosh is in Miami chillin' like a villian.

[SirChillyMost]

I dont know about that.

I agree about what it is over here, it definitely is a culture.

But they take it pretty seriously over there.

Time will tell. DD is putting in the work and barring injuries his head above the rim game is becoming more rounded through his summer workouts.

It's the difference from being a basketball player to someone who plays basketball in my mind.

[Fon Riego]

I can see DeMar taking over as the Rap's Marquee player very early next season. If only Bargnani had DD's drive, work ethic....in the US basketball is a culture- overseas it's just a game.

Yeah! great citizens the american basket players...like Stephenson (tell it to his girlfriend) or Udonis Haslem and his weed..or soooooome much more, what a culture of crap if you let me. In work ethic almost ALL european players could give some lessons to american ones...all the day with the same bullshit...

[RecklessIndifference]

Time will tell. DD is putting in the work and barring injuries his head above the rim game is becoming more rounded through his summer workouts.

It's the difference from being a basketball player to someone who plays basketball in my mind.

I said nothing of talent levels.

Demar should be our guy in time.

I was just commenting on the Basketball lifestyle overseas

[LBF]

Bargnani called you lazy? that jerk

i know, right! i was interviewing him and then i asked him if he wanted some water, so i got someone to bring him a water and then all the sudden he goes you're lazy.

I thought of barganani differently ever since.

[RecklessIndifference]

Yeah! great citizens the american basket players...like Stephenson (tell it to his girlfriend) or Udonis Haslem and his weed..or soooooome much more, what a culture of crap if you let me. In work ethic almost ALL european players could give some lessons to american ones...all the day with the same bullshit...

when did being a 'citizen' and work ethic get called into play?

Are you telling me there are Euro players who work on their game more than Kobe?

[SirChillyMost]

Yeah! great citizens the american basket players...like Stephenson (tell it to his girlfriend) or Udonis Haslem and his weed..or soooooome much more, what a culture of crap if you let me. In work ethic almost ALL european players could give some lessons to american ones...all the day with the same bullshit...

Sounds like you have some personal issues there, kiddo.lol

I'm speaking on a cultural game on all levels of basketball from playgrounds to schools to Boys/Girls Club to AAU to YMCA to street ball to college- not just the NBA.

[Fon Riego]

I said nothing of talent levels.

Demar should be our guy in time.

I was just commenting on the Basketball lifestyle overseas

Here, as you know, soccer is THE GAME, more than footbal there, but basketball players love the game as much as anywhere, have seen a lot of times, the Celtics-Lakers finals of the 80's as anybody anywhere, dreamt as mucha as anyone to c¡ould be one day the player that Bird or MJ was...but of course they are different: are normal people (almost all)...don't carry a gun to the lockroom...:\

[charlz]

He is not a Marquee player but thank goodness for 2 things

BC did not give him max money

DeMar and Ed Davis are Marquee players.

[Fon Riego]

when did being a 'citizen' and work ethic get called into play?

Are you telling me there are Euro players who work on their game more than Kobe?

There could be, but they are just less talented...

Sounds like you have some personal issues there, kiddo.lol

Yes, maybe, just tired of reading Raps info only to find the 'euro is a shit' comment hidden everywhere...call it personal issues if you want

[RecklessIndifference]

Here, as you know, soccer is THE GAME, more than footbal there, but basketball players love the game as much as anywhere, have seen a lot of times, the Celtics-Lakers finals of the 80's as anybody anywhere, dreamt as mucha as anyone to c¡ould be one day the player that Bird or MJ was...but of course they are different: are normal people (almost all)...don't carry a gun to the lockroom...:\

Don't pigeonhole all of the 'U.S.' players. You are upset that people are grouping all 'euro' players into one mold, so your reaction is to do the same.

Sometimes it's best to just ignore certain people, rather than play their games

[Fon Riego]

Don't pigeonhole all of the 'U.S.' players. You are upset that people are grouping all 'euro' players into one mold, so your reaction is to do the same.

Sometimes it's best to just ignore certain people, rather than play their games

You're absolutely right....I just pissed off

[SirChillyMost]

He is not a Marquee player but thank goodness for 2 things

BC did not give him max money

DeMar and Ed Davis are Marquee players.

DD & Davis will be TO's future marquee players!!!

Davis' game, barring injuries, will surpass Bargnani's by his 3rd NBA season.

[Frankthetank]

If Bargni was paid like a franchise or marquee player then I would say fans should have beef. The fact is that bargni made 9 million last year almost half of what Bosh made. I can name 20 players who make more money and do far less then bargni.
Sirchilly what you write does show a sustained biased against international players and international systems. Every where in the world except for the US/canada develops their basketball players through a club system. If you haven't noticed that the rest of the world has caught up too the US. Just like Canada and hockey. The US still may have the best players and teams but that could change over the next 20-30 years as we do live in the information age. Only 15 years ago no one would have thought the US would ever lose a olympics after the dream teams came and dominated.

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

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+1. guy says bargs has been inconsistent his whole career, when in fact his numbers increase every year.
in B.A. Baracus' words "i pity the fool"

[Buddahfan]

"The writer defined it as a player on the level of Bosh, McGrady and Bosh. Probably a leader to some degree"

for one, i never thought mcgrady was a leader.
second, i guess if you put 2 bosh together you could have a marquee player.

as far as bargnani goes, i have seen glimpses of his ability in the past and i'm anxious to see how he has developed for the upcoming season...

"With his team needing a win to keep its hopes alive of reaching the EuroBasket group stage, Andrea Bargnani showed why he has carved a niche for himself in the NBA. The hulking center scored 24 points for Italy last night in its gritty 81-76 victory over Israel at Yad Eliahu in Tel Aviv. The most critical basket of the game came with 1:12 remaining, when the Italian was fortunate to handle a rebound that slipped out of the hands of Lior Eliyahu and Tal Burnstein, letting him waltz in for an easy deuce that put the game out of reach. "

source here.

Israel isn't the only country with an NBA star, so if we want to win, we are going to have to play a lot harder.
By Eyal Gil

We have no one to fight like mad for every ball, somebody who will scratch, hit and strangle to get to it. No one is ready to sacrifice himself. There's no one to commit a foul.

And yet rather than play the one person who comes close to this description, Uri Kokia, coach Arik Shivek opted on Tuesday to keep him on the bench, even though Bargnani was totally outplaying David Bluthenthal and Lior Eliyahu.

Once Kokia entered the game, the scary 2.13m center stopped scoring, but it was too late.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...ntals-1.308885

[Mush]

People need nba.com to tell them this???? He can definitely turn into a really good player but i don't think he'll ever be a marquee player. Hope I'm wrong, but he will never be the #1 option on a good team. All star potential yes, marquee player no.

[Buddahfan]

+1. guy says bargs has been inconsistent his whole career, when in fact his number increase every year.
in B.A. Baracus' word "i pity the fool"

Its true that Bargnani's per game numbers have generally gone up each season since his rookie season.

However, most of the increase has been due to Bargnani's minutes per game going up each season.

On a 36 minute basis his scoring and rebounding numbers have increased very little since his rookie season.

Only about 3% a year in scoring and rebounding.

However, at least those numbers are going in the right direction even if at a snails pace.

He has improved at a better rate in his PER and WS/48.

However both still remain quite low relative to the league average for starting Centers and PFs

Bargnani's PER last season was about 15.6. This ranked him 26th among Centers. It would be a lot worse if he was listed as a PF; i.e. 35th. No, his efficiency on offense will not go up if he is moved to PF.

In WS/48 his number was about .072. The league average is .100. Bargnani has never equaled or exceeded or even come close to the league average in WS/48 in the four seasons that he has been in the NBA.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...3fposition%3dc

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bargnan01.html

[Hassan]

bargs can be an offensive leader.not a defensive one