Everything Bargnani: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble

[Tim W.]

Personally, I could see Bargs play the 3. Even if he starts the game at this position doesn't mean he'll be there all game long! On offense, I think it could work well. As for the defensive end, just like some of you said before, when he's at the 3, he takes the weakest player on the other team and that's it. I really could see it happen and I'd like to. And if he gets beat by his man, you got some good shot blockers and defenders inside to help him.

Did you miss my comment when I said that he DID play SF when Jermaine O'Neal was a Raptor?

[ezz_bee]

I've on record on a number of different threads as saying that bargnani could/should get some minutes at small forward. However, it think that it would only be effective in certain scenarios. If asked "Could Bargnani start and play all his minutes at small forward?" my answer would be a huge "No."

Playing him full time at the 3 exposes him too much to the athleticism of players mentioned above and allows opposing coaches to construct their game plan around his weaknesses at that positions.

[nubreed000]

Sometimes I wonder whether some of you people actually watch this sport.

[Raptors_]

I'd be willing to try it. I mean, he could at least guard the Keith Bogans' and James Jones' of the world without too much trouble... right? right?!?! Please tell me I'm right!!!!

keith bogans is a SG

[charlesnba23]

I've on record on a number of different threads as saying that bargnani could/should get some minutes at small forward. However, it think that it would only be effective in certain scenarios. If asked "Could Bargnani start and play all his minutes at small forward?" my answer would be a huge "No."

Playing him full time at the 3 exposes him too much to the athleticism of players mentioned above and allows opposing coaches to construct their game plan around his weaknesses at that positions.

That's the point, I don't think no one see him play at the 3 full time. He would not play there full time! If guys like Peja Stojakovic excels at the 3 spot, why Bargnani could not see some minutes at this position?

[Raptor4Ever]

People People, lets move on from AB subject. AB deserves better than Toronto and hopefully, he will get it and will start fresh after the lock outs.

Time to focus on the Core of Raptors for future : DD,Amir and Ed

[charlesnba23]

Do you see one really possible trade? And do you really see the Raptors trade him? Yes, I'd like them to trade him, but I don't really think they are going to do it.

[Tim W.]

AB deserves better than Toronto

Why?

[charlesnba23]

Why?

Ouais, pourquoi? I don't see what he has done for the team to ''deserves better''... When you see LeBron James who gets criticized by everybody because he left Cleveland!

[Tim W.]

Ouais, pourquoi? I don't see what he has done for the team to ''deserves better''... When you see LeBron James who gets criticized by everybody because he left Cleveland!

Sometimes I wonder whether Raptor4Ever is actually Bargnani. He takes criticism of Bargnani SOO personally.

[Tim W.]

Both players are the same age, they came into the league at the same time. And both came in as jumpshooting big men. Both players struggled early with a soft label, neither one were strong rebounders.

This year, through different circumstances, they had to "lead" their team. WHile Aldridge seized the opportunity and became a borderline All-Star, while averaging career highs in scoring AND rebounding, and tying or coming close to career highs in blocks, steals, assists and field goal percentage. He also was able to lead his team to the playoffs despite a lost year from their franchise player.

Bargnani, on the other hand, had a career scoring year, but saw his rebounding, blocks and field goal percentage dip and by most accounts had a disappointing season while his team finished with the third worst record in the league.

So if Aldridge was able to step up, why wasn't Bargnani.










Mods: Feel free to delete this thread. I just thought I'd try and make a point.

[WhatWhat]

8/10

Watching the Dallas game going on I had basically the same thought.

(And the answer btw is: LA realized that be must be aggressive. Bargnani didn't.)

[Raptor4Ever]

LOOOL, you just can not get over AB, Can you ? How does it feel to be obsessed with a Player ? Do you close your eyes at night thinking about AB and what he is doing to you ? Of course, I am kidding you Pal. you can be stuck on him as much as you like. I actually take pleasure in seeing you suffer in this pain and misery.

Alderige is a better Player than AB. It was BC's mistake to draft AB before Alderige.(like many other mistakes that he made over the last 5 years, ooppss, MatT is going to get upset that we questioned the Almighty BC) Under the right coaching and under the right system, Aldridge has grown much more than AB has and has fixed his shortcomings more than AB. Again, one can not deny the role of the coaching staff in this great transformation ( BC's 2nd mistake).


He is also going to get paid alot more than AB over the next few season:

$10,700,000
$11,800,000
$13,000,000
$14,100,000
$15,200,000

versus AB:
$8,000,000 2.7 less than Aldrige
$9,000,000 2.8 less than Aldrige
$10,000,000 2.0 less than Aldrige
$11,000,000 3.0 less than Aldrige
$12,000,000 3.2 less than Aldrige

for a total of : 13.5 million over 5 season


UMMMM, It is kinda like Aldrige is getting paid like a 2nd best player in a team while AB is getting paid like a 3rd best player

Nice try, but you fail as usual

[raptorsking]

i see what you did there.

[Tim W.]

LOOOL, you just can not get over AB, Can you ? How does it feel to be obsessed with a Player ? Do you close your eyes at night thinking about AB and what he is doing to you ? Of course, I am kidding you Pal. you can be stuck on him as much as you like. I actually take pleasure in seeing you suffer in this pain and misery.

Alderige is a better Player than AB. It was BC's mistake to draft AB before Alderige. Under the right coaching and under the right system, Aldridge has grown much more than AB has and has fixed his shortcomings more than AB. Again, one can not deny the role of the coaching staff in this great transformation ( BC's 2nd mistake).


He is also going to get paid alot more than AB over the next few season:

$10,700,000
$11,800,000
$13,000,000
$14,100,000
$15,200,000

versus AB:
$8,000,000 2.7 less than Aldrige
$9,000,000 2.8 less than Aldrige
$10,000,000 2.0 less than Aldrige
$11,000,000 3.0 less than Aldrige
$12,000,000 3.2 less than Aldrige

for a total of : 13.5 million over 5 season


UMMMM, It is kinda like Aldrige is getting paid like a 2nd best player in a team while AB is getting paid like a 3rd best player

Nice try, but you fail as usual

Uh, you do realize that Noah is being paid literally twice as much as Amir, who is being paid like the 6th or 7th man, right? You don't even make it hard to catch you on these things. At least make it sporting, won't you?

[RaptorsFan4Life]

Uh, you do realize that Noah is being paid literally twice as much as Amir, who is being paid like the 6th or 7th man, right? You don't even make it hard to catch you on these things. At least make it sporting, won't you?

Noah is going to get paid....

Joakim Noah Salary - Bulls: $3.13M 2011 | $10.0M 2012 (T) | $11.1M 2013 | $12.1M 2014 | $13.2M 2015 | $14.2M 2016

[Raptor4Ever]

Uh, you do realize that Noah is being paid literally twice as much as Amir, who is being paid like the 6th or 7th man, right? You don't even make it hard to catch you on these things. At least make it sporting, won't you?

You Fail Again !!! So Noah got bigger and stronger because he got paid more this summer !!! Is this the best you came up with to defend your man Amir ??

Come on Tim, It is too easy to beat you when you put no effort forward.

Noah got paid for his hard work so did Aldrige. AB is never going to be an Aldrige and that was the mistake made by BC. Maybe he realized it last summer when he gave AB a contract that is for a 3rd best player in a good team.

But this is different with the whole Amir vs Noah discussion. In that thread, we are NOT discussing who is ever going to be
better or is more skilled but who embraced the challenge and who just deferred it !!! Amir's fan claim that he has all that potential and all that drive but when the challenge was set for him, he choose the easy way and decided to deffer !!

At least for AB one can say he tried and he is just not that great of rebounder ( due to the way he plays ) and a great HeLP defender. But when it comes to Amir, no can not even say that. He just ran away from the challenge and from helping his.

Unlike you, I am no obsessed with a Player Pal, so better Luck next time.

[raptorsking]

You Fail Again !!! So Noah got bigger and stronger because he got paid more this summer !!! Is this the best you came up with to defend your man Amir ??

Come on Tim, It is too easy to beat you when you put no effort forward.

Noah got paid for his hard work so did Aldrige. AB is never going to be an Aldrige and that was the mistake made by BC. Maybe he realized it last summer when he gave AB a contract that is for a 3rd best player in a good team.

But this is different with the whole Amir vs Noah discussion. In that thread, we are NOT discussing who is ever going to be
better or is more skilled but who embraced the challenge and who just deferred it !!! Amir's fan claim that he has all that potential and all that drive but when the challenge was set for him, he choose the easy way and decided to deffer !!

At least for AB one can say he tried and he is just not that great of rebounder ( due to the way he plays ) and a great HeLP defender. But when it comes to Amir, no can not even say that. He just ran away from the challenge and from helping his.

Unlike you, I am no obsessed with a Player Pal, so better Luck next time.

no actually we can't say that.

[Raptors_]

You Fail Again !!! So Noah got bigger and stronger because he got paid more this summer !!! Is this the best you came up with to defend your man Amir ??

Come on Tim, It is too easy to beat you when you put no effort forward.

Noah got paid for his hard work so did Aldrige. AB is never going to be an Aldrige and that was the mistake made by BC. Maybe he realized it last summer when he gave AB a contract that is for a 3rd best player in a good team.

But this is different with the whole Amir vs Noah discussion. In that thread, we are NOT discussing who is ever going to be
better or is more skilled but who embraced the challenge and who just deferred it !!! Amir's fan claim that he has all that potential and all that drive but when the challenge was set for him, he choose the easy way and decided to deffer !!

At least for AB one can say he tried and he is just not that great of rebounder ( due to the way he plays ) and a great HeLP defender. But when it comes to Amir, no can not even say that. He just ran away from the challenge and from helping his.

Unlike you, I am no obsessed with a Player Pal, so better Luck next time.

What can bargnani do besides throw up bricks and score 20 points? Amir is getting better overall with his defence, post game, rebounding etc... As for bargnani sitting at home eating free primo pasta not giving a damn about anything. Anyone who works hard and gives 100% on both ends will achieve alot more in the nba, thats why fans love guys like: Demar, Amir, Reggie, Ed davis, Bayless etc... cause they try they're hardest and work on their game and take it seriously. Something bargnani doesn't seem to know how to do. If bargnani started focusing on the things he needs to improve on and the little things he needs to do to help his team win, he can stay otherwise just trade him the first oppertunity you get.

[WhatWhat]

[Snip]

This is NOT about their skills, this is about their SIZE.

Noah=6'11", skinny, play C, put on weight to get stronger
Amir=6'11", skinny, plays PF, hasn't put on weight stronger

Amir, why you no put on weight?!?