The expectations were so high because, among many reasons, he is the #1 overall pick, he was given a team and all the slack he could've hoped for, and ALL he wanted to do was score.
When you look at guys like Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard, they do everything that is asked of them, and if they can't, they do EVERYTHING they can in order to see that their best effort was given.
I can't tell you how many times I almost turned off the TV solely based on the fact that Andrea looked like he'd rather be ANYWHERE else in the world, then playing the game of basketball for the Raptors. He doesn't TRY. That is where the expectations lie. It's not in "get this many rebounds or else" as you put it, but more "please TRY to get this many rebounds" and he doesn't. EVER.
And he didn't improve as a man-to-man defender either. He used to actually be good. Not this year. Find one stat that says he did.
Again, why are you comparing him to three of the best players in our game today? Secondly, those players have a much better supporting cast today and were given the keys from day one.When you look at guys like Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard, they do everything that is asked of them, and if they can't, they do EVERYTHING they can in order to see that their best effort was given.
You keep bringing up intangibles like doesn’t try no effort etc.. I bring up tangible statistics like scoring 20+ in 60% of his gamesI can't tell you how many times I almost turned off the TV solely based on the fact that Andrea looked like he'd rather be ANYWHERE else in the world, then playing the game of basketball for the Raptors. He doesn't TRY. That is where the expectations lie. It's not in "get this many rebounds or else" as you put it, but more "please TRY to get this many rebounds" and he doesn't. EVER.
To bad I didn’t track the increased number of charges he took, and the shooting percentages of the player he was guarding.And he didn't improve as a man-to-man defender either. He used to actually be good. Not this year. Find one stat that says he did.
"They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
I can bring up tangible statistics too, like 5.2rbs, 0.7blk and 0.5spg.
Last edited by Joey; Tue Apr 26th, 2011 at 07:59 PM.
And at what point did Armstrong blame Bargnani for the team losing 60 games? You've got to get over this quirk that makes you believe that criticism of Bargnani means he's being blamed for EVERYTHING. It seems to be an epidemic among Bargnani fans. They see someone criticizing his defense and try to make it that they mean that the team would be good defensively without Bargnani. If someone wants to blame Bargnani for everything, they'll say it's his fault.
Towards the end of last season.....
Bargnani is asked how he gets beat on the boards.
"Being lazy maybe," he says. "That's the only reason it can be. I've got the body, I've got everything to take 10 rebounds a game. It's just sometimes I get lazy."
He needs to fix that, obviously. He needs to play with more focus.
"Yeah," Bargnani agrees. "More focus. You said it. More focus and don't get lazy."
I believe most (his supporters and not) remember this. Can anyone/he honestly address this issue again and say that he has improved in correcting the malady? Or are we confused about what "lazy" really means...in the workplace.
I already said he underacheived on defense did you not read my initial post?
That wasn't the point of my thread
since you like to bring up only defense what lead you to beleive from his previous years he would imrpove to 8.5 boards?
why can't you just accept the fact he is an above avg scorer and below avererage defender?
Last edited by DunkinDerozan; Tue Apr 26th, 2011 at 08:10 PM.
2011-2012 - expectations
- Better rebounder
- better overall defender
- work on conditioning ( this has been a problem)
- become tougher stop getting intimidated
- become a more efficient scorer
- become more of a leader
First off, I took that jab regarding Multi out of my post before you posted. Was uncalled for.
He's on a whooole other planet. hahah
But instead he goes and grabs less rebounds then he even did the previous season.
Thats one step forward, two steps back my friend.
As a rookie he posted more BPG in 10 less minutes per game than he did last season. Thats regression.
When you average 1.2 and 1.4bpg in back to back years it is not ridiculous for the Fans to want to see more. Its expected.
And instead he averages nearly a career low.
And I thought the point of your thread was 'why were expectations so high'.
Those expectations were far more abundant on the defensive end, because he plays the most defensive-minded position.
Yes, he put up more points. But he was less efficient doing it.
One of the Expectations of a great scorer is to improve efficiency, and he did not.
Last edited by Joey; Tue Apr 26th, 2011 at 08:20 PM.
I will be happy, and I think it would be enough for the team, if he averaged 6.8 - 7.2 rebounds a game playing alongside Amir or Davis.
I actually never had high expectations for Bargnani. I was one of the people who argued against the expectation people had for him this season. I felt they were completely unrealistic. And it turns out I was right.
Let's look at the report card, here:
Try helping overcome offensive void left by Bosh: Met expectations
- Is anyone really surprised the guy ended up scoring 4 more points a game, especially considering he took 4 more shots a game? Really?
Rely less on three points shooting: Met expectations
- He took fewer threes, but took more long twos. Not a good compromise.
Improve post scoring: Below expectations
- He started off the season well, but it wasn't long before he started posting up less and less as he went back to what he knew- shooting jumpers.
Make teammates better: Incomplete
- He made them better on offense, but worse on defense.
Become primary scorer: Met expectations
- 21 ppg on 18 shots and with not great efficiency. Plus, there were far too many times when he simply disappeared on offense.
Now, there was one area that he did exceed expectations with me and that was his ability to get to the line. It's still not great, but it's certainly much better than I was expecting.
Become a better man to man defender: Below expectation
- I really don't understand how anyone can say that Bargnani's man-to-man defense improved. If anything it got worse. It was below average before and now it's worse.
Become a better Rebounder: Below Expectation
Become a Better help defender: Below Expectation
Show more desire and focus on the defensive end: Below Expectation
I think it's great that he improved on offense, but when you've got such glaring deficiencies, as he does on defense and on the boards, and to not improve in either of those areas is inexcusable. Take DeRozan, for instance. Two areas he needed the most work on was his ball handling and jumper and those two areas improved. Amir needed to improve on his fouls and on his jumper. Again, both of those areas improved.
Bargnani has always been an above average offensive player, but the fact that he didn't improve at all in the areas that needed improvement the most is a testament to just how little he seems to care about that aspect of the game.
Thanks Tim. Great post. You always do it better. haha
PS. I found this picture on Google images and low-and-behold, it was linked from your Blog. Small inter-web. Turned out to be a rather unabashed defense of Jose Calderon. I rather enjoyed it.
This ties in to his own word ...."lazy". It wasnt the number of rebounds so much.
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