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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    This has been talked about all summer. Can we put an end to it. I believe in Bargs too, but we should all just wait for the season to start. Everyone has been talking about Bargs, it's getting old. Let him be, let him play, let him grow.
    Unfortunately there are too many Bargs haters on this forum who don't have the foresight to understand this notion. Their screaming trade him just before he gets his best opportunity to excel, with his new role on the team. Let's see if all that hard work he's done during this offseason playing competitive bball and working on those areas that need improving pays off this season.

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    Spencer Hawes: he's basically bargs without the drive
    Andris Biedrins : Solid defensive presence. If GS sheds more salary we can pick him up with our TPE.
    Samuel Dalembert: See above. Cheaper and shorter Biedrins basically.
    Emeka Okafor: Sure. These 3 are basically in the same mold anyway.
    LaMarcus Aldridge: Not known for defense
    Austin Daye : Not a C
    Marcus Camby : Not going anywhere
    Nene : Not going anywhere
    Hasheem Thabeet : BYC makes trading from him unlikely
    Greg Oden : Not going anywhere

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    Default For Europhiles - How Would You Compare Bargnani To Motiejunas?

    For those that know the FIBA world and its players.

    How would you compare Donatas Motiejunas to Bargnani?

    On the link below the writer says thata Montiejunas is more comparable to Dirk than he is to Bargnani

    What do you Europhiles think?

    Center/power forward Donatas Motiejunas pulled out of this year's NBA draft at the last minute, but is probably a lock to go in the lottery next year. He draws comparisons to the Raptors Andrea Bargnani, or ideally to Dirk Nowitzki.

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    How many of you actually know who "Donatas Motijunas" is AND have seen him play in a minimum of 50+ games to respectfully respond to Buddah's OP?

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    montiejunas is garbage.
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    Quote James Ballswin (Realizar) wrote: View Post
    How many of you actually know who "Donatas Motijunas" is AND have seen him play in a minimum of 50+ games to respectfully respond to Buddah's OP?
    My guess is that there must to be at least a couple here who have seen Motijunas play enough to be able to comment.

    What I do know is that a number of posters here are making a big deal of Bargs play this summer in Europe by either showing video of it and/or commenting on that video.

    So it seems reasonable to think that at least some if not the majority of those who are commenting favorably on Bargnani's play this summer are familiar enough with comparable players in Europe, who at least from the article I linked Montijunas might be one of them.
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    bargs is trash. he might be good playing on teams finishing between 26-30, but for playoff teams he shouldn't even be coming off the bench.
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    Quote James Ballswin (Realizar) wrote: View Post
    How many of you actually know who "Donatas Motijunas" is AND have seen him play in a minimum of 50+ games to respectfully respond to Buddah's OP?
    Yup I haven't seen enough of him to get a clear opinion, since Benetton isn't exactly my favorite team (hate'em). But we really should stop with this Dirk thing, really too much for an early comparison with us poor eurokids, so I'll settle with draftexpress:

    Best Case: Andrea Bargnani

    Could be a better rebounder than Bargs from what I've seen (stressing the could part), and has some interesting post moves, but he definately needs to get some pounds to try them in the nba. Hope to hear from some more knowledgeable guys.

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    Up until the coaching change Motiejunas was looking more and more confident about putting his skill-level on display. Repesa doesn’t seem to be holding him back early on, already giving him 31 minutes in their EuroCup Top 16 debut (which they lost at home). The Lithuanian responded with 17 points (7/9 FG), 5 rebounds, 4 steals and 3 assists.

    With added experience underneath his belt, and a growing role, Motiejunas is quickly emerging as one of the most versatile big men in the Italian league. The place that shows up the most is on the perimeter, where Motiejunas is showing outstanding potential taking his man off the dribble in creative fashion, often spinning his way through the lane for some incredibly impressive finishes.

    Able to go left or right, Motiejunas is a nightmare for most big men to match up with at his size, as he possesses an excellent first step to go along with strong ball-handling skills and terrific body control maneuvering his way towards the basket.

    He’s getting to the free throw line at a very good rate, 6.4 times per-40 minutes pace adjusted, which ranks him in the top-10 in the Italian league amongst qualified players in that category.

    Something to keep in mind is that his ability to create scoring opportunities out of isolation situations will be far more useful in the faster paced and more loosely called realm of the NBA. Italian league refs are notorious for being incredibly quick to call traveling violations (particularly on rookies like Motiejunas), and there were a number of whistles that we saw on film that would not have been ruled as such in the NBA.


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    On the downside, Motiejunas’ jumper has not been falling very regularly at all, as he’s converted just 8 of the 27 jump-shots he’s attempted this season (6/21 3P) according to Synergy Sports Technology, and 46/76 free throw attempts, good for 60%. Looking at his shooting mechanics and the terrific touch he displays around the basket, you have to imagine that it’s only a matter of time until his shots start falling from the perimeter.

    While Motiejunas leaves an incredibly strong impression with the talent he’s displaying on the offensive end, his work defensively and on the glass can’t be described as anything less than worrisome. Possessing average fundamentals on this end of the floor, Motiejunas is somewhat of a liability when attempting to defend on the perimeter. He’s extremely upright in his stance and shows very little in the ways of hustle or awareness, getting burned repeatedly in the film we took in.

    His lack of strength is a major issue, but so is his extremely poor balance, as you regularly see him being knocked to the ground in every game he plays in. He gets pushed around by smaller players fairly often, giving up deep position in the post, and in turn easy baskets.

    He remains an incredibly poor defensive rebounder, grabbing just 46 defensive rebounds in 448 total minutes, or one for every 10 minutes he’s on the court. Although rebounds are tougher to come by in Europe than they are in the NCAA, it’s tough to ignore the fact that he ranks amongst the worst defensive rebounders in his own league on a per-minute basis.


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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    bargs is trash. he might be good playing on teams finishing between 26-30, but for playoff teams he shouldn't even be coming off the bench.
    No, actually Bargs was good playing on Raps teams that finished higher than that and check out the bench on playoff teams before you make that other ignorant comment. OR, just get your head out of your ass again...

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    This is such a ridiculous comment. I've seen people in here give their opinion about players around the league who they have probably seen play a max of five times, if that. Your clearly trying to be better then everybody else.

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    This is such a ridiculous comment. I've seen people in here give their opinion about players around the league who they have probably seen play a max of five times, if that. Your clearly trying to be better then everybody else.
    In response to:

    How many of you actually know who "Donatas Motijunas" is AND have seen him play in a minimum of 50+ games to respectfully respond to Buddah's OP?

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    This guy looks tons more like YI or Gallo than Bargs or Dirk.... he's clearly a SF in the NBA - too skinny and a good ball handler and only 6'10. Looks fairly athletic but more in the Rudy Fernandez way than a big-man. Yeah I would say Gallo is the best comparison as those post moves will not translate into the NBA game...
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    I do appreciate the serious and well thought out answers to my question.

    Just trying to learn a little bit about players in the Euro League.

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    I question a lot of websites when it comes to these comparisons. Motiejunas does have some similarities to both Dirk and Bargnani, but will ultimately forge his own identity. For one thing, he's much more athletic than both. His shot from range is shakey. He's willing to dunk in traffic and fight for rebounds. He has a very, very thin frame. I don't see star in him. Average to decent starter, maybe even a good sixth man. Needs to get bigger and develop consistency. However, he does share Bargs' and Dirk's lack of defensive awareness/commitment.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    I do appreciate the serious and well thought out answers to my question.

    Just trying to learn a little bit about players in the Euro League.

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    Buddahfan, I don't know you at all but I admire your tenacity. I mean, you take some serious forum beatings and you still keep on ticking! Massive props to your good nature. I'm starting to wonder if you purposefully post these wacky threads just to get the likes of Vinnie_Paz to go off. Hey, as much as I disagree with that dude, we're together on the AB7 front. Last year in my fantasy draft, I hated Bargs so much that i won't even draft him (and Centers that can post offensive numbers are like gold in Fantasy drafts!).

    Now, for Monty, I think he's soft and will likely be beaten up in the NBA with his lanky frame. I prefer Tiago Splitter if you ask me (as far as foreigners are concerned - but that's another topic for another day). Dirk will probably go down as the greatest power forward to ever come out of Europe. The comparisons should stop. As for Bargs, I really want to eat my words (like I wanna look stupid in the end). If he averages 20 and 8, I'll be really happy. An ounce of leadership? Why not. Maybe I would then consider him as my first Center in my upcoming Fantasy pool. Keep up the cool threads Buddah!
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    It's funny how - according to our maitre ŕ penser - if you care about all-around basketball, and not just NBA, you must be an Europhile. Maybe those who also know about FIBA (which is not Euro linked, but anyway, why bother...) have just a broader vision of such sport, or maybe it is those caring only about NBA that are horribly mutilated in their vision and are too Northamerica-centric (which is by the way the thing Canadians always reproach US citizens with).
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    Quote lusset blither wrote: View Post
    It's funny how - according to our maitre ŕ penser - if you care about all-around basketball, and not just NBA, you must be an Europhile. Maybe those who also know about FIBA (which is not Euro linked, but anyway, why bother...) have just a broader vision of such sport, or maybe it is those caring only about NBA that are horribly mutilated in their vision and are too Northamerica-centric (which is by the way the thing Canadians always reproach US citizens with).
    It seems pretty clear that you don't know what a Europhile is much less have an understanding of the meaning of it.

    A europhile is a person who is fond of, admires, or even loves European culture, society, history, food, etc
    The term is not derogatory or prejudicial as one can see from the definition presented by the PC Wiki.

    In fact it could be looked on as being complimentary especially by a Europhile.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europhile
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