Bargnani doesn't make that team better. He'll hurt them on the boards and on the defensive end. Besides, you think that Bargnani is going to get extended minutes on a team that is so focused on defense? You think Doc Rivers is going to turn a blind eye to Bargnani's inability to play team defense? With Pierce, ROndo, Allen and Garnett, they only thing Bargnani would be doing is spotting up at the three point line, waiting for someone to throw him the ball. You really think Boston is going to trade one of the best defensive centers in the league for a spot up shooter. Basically, he would be filling Brian Scalabrine's roll. And he played less than 10 mpg.
Boston doesn't need him and would be a very poor fit.
As for the Raptors, who cares who they have to play at center for half the season? Are they really vying for anything? Hell, they could put start Amir and Davis.
you dont trade a defensive center who is young and has proven himself by guarding some of the best bigs in the league for a 1 dimensional big who cant rebound or defend.
it is much harder to find a good defensive big then a guy like bargnani who cant defend anyone or rebound
clearly there's no convincing you so lets just agree to disagree...
still confused as to why these guys keep hammering the raps, bargnani, BC. last time i checked this is a raptors forum. maybe its hate the raptors forum. care to fill me in admins?
um, points win championships, defense helps win championships. how can the opponents rebound if a team keeps making shots? the key is to play solid, decent defense and make sure you always score the basketball. last time i checked, the NBA counts points, whoever has the most points wins the game. maybe in your island teams win with rebounds and blocks but not here in our normal world.
"also when you really understand basketball, you know rebounding and defense are as important if not more important than scoring..." - wow. id like to see artest, battier, perkins, garnett and rondo win a championship against durant, james, anthony, bryant and wade.
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How about Rondo, Kobe, Gerald Wallace, LeBron and Dwight Howard (The All-Defensive first team this past season) against Durant, Carmelo, Monta Ellis, Dirk and Stoudemire (all top ten in scoring). Which team do YOU think is going to win?
on nites when the shooters are struggling, they will still be in the game and have a chance to win as long as the defensive effort is there...
this is not a new concept in basketball but i dont think you have ever heard about it
orl, bos and the lakers ranked 3rd, 4th, and 5th last season in defensive rating, which measures points against per 100 possessions which im sure you're very familiar with.
now when mentioning orlando, boston, and the lakers, can you tell me if anything common about these teams jumps out you ?
hint : think of all the teams to have made it to the nba finals in the last 3 years.
also im sure you know this too:
the lakers and celtics werent even in the top 10 in offensive rating last season
Allright. Cards on the table time, gentleman. I think Perk starts if / when he returns healthy. Colangelo would not trade Barney for Perk, but other GM's might consider it. How come every thread ends up as a Buddah / Vinnie Paz debate? Buddahfan, explain yourself, r u a devout follower of the Dalai Lama? Or just a big Cheech and Chong fan? Vinne Paz, don't no one give a fuck about Jedi Mind Tricks so go on with your bad self... Either way, I guess Im saying, can't we all just get along?
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I don't know if you're trying to be patronizing but...
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As for the topic, obviously we're going to value Bargnani more for his offence because that is his strength, just like Perkins' strength is his defence. It really depends on the team you're on. If Bargnani was on Boston where his defence would be shadowed by KG, etc. He wouldn't be frowned upon for his defence. If Perkins was on the Raptors, he would be no where near a top 10 center in this league because of the fact that he can't create anything on a team with no playmakers. Makes him look terrible, plus his defence/rebounding will be less valued because no wins are being produced.
All I know is that overall, I would take Bargnani over Perkins (and other centers like him) if I'm the current version of the Raptors. He still has a chance to learn to play better defence than Perkins has a chance to hit 100 3-pointers in a season.
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Wow, this thread filled up really fast...no surprise there given the nature of the thread. For the record, I voted YES in the poll; my logic being that while Bargnani may not be a top ten player at doing the things that are typically required at center (rebounding, interior defense, etc) , he is still better overallthan some of the older, more traditional centers that one might include in such a list. In reality, Bargnani shouldn't even apply in a conversation about centers, but since he does, and is listed as a PF/C, then with all aspects of the game considered he is more valuable in general when not considered as a C.
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