I voted 9 in hopes it'll come true.
The former number one overall NBA draft pick whom has been coddled ever since he set foot in TO now has the pressure that CB faced lifted off of him with both BC & Jay stating in various media reports that the Raptor's have no go to guy on offense and will move the ball around in 2010-11 after it was getting stuck in the hands of Mr 20 & 10 the past few years..
Am I missing something here? I thought Bargnani was drafted #1 overall by BC to be a Franchise player- especially by year 5? Now he's just another option on offense on a team void of any proven leading scorers?
The rotten PR stench coming from BC & company all summer long makes the Raptor's come off as politicians politicking to voters- the more you tell a lie over & over the more some people tend to believe it- especially fans aka fanatics. Image means everything, reality nothing.
I may not like Bargnani's overall game but the one thing he can do is SCORE in a variety of ways it's just that he's has not been consistently aggressive or productive enough with the ball during his NBA career in my mind. I still think that with a consistent post game he could be a 20 ppg scorer for TO but it's not his offense that worries me it his DEFENSE or lack of conceptual understanding of team defense & his anemic rebounding numbers. If Bargnani could just average 8 or 9 rebounds (while boxing out consistently) a game it would make a load of difference in the paint for TO.
But now is Bargnani's time to show & prove or as Young MC would say Bust A Move:
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I think Bargnani is absolutely the go to guy. He was almost taking as many shots as Bosh last year.
But can anyone help me to understand all this rhetoric coming from BC & Jay to the contrary?
Are they trying to sneak Bargnani up on people in his 5th year?
Trying to reduce his pressure, expectations to score?
Just reciting more premeditated MLSE Raptor marketing strategy & PR media spins?
I thought BC was so sure that Bargnani would be the man when he drafted him #1 overall back in 2006- especially by year 5 according to BC stated particulars in the media.
Not labeling Bargnani "the guy" deflects some pressure off him.
Like it or not, Bargnani is the best Raptors player and he will be the go to guy. I think he will struggle in the beginning of season to adjust to more tight defense than last years when he had CB4 drawing double-team attention.
4 words baby, number 1 draft pick
either way you look at it he was supposed to be their go to guy since he came in the league and as of now he's it by default because there is no one else. like it or not, right now he is the team
Last edited by blaze89; Thu Sep 30th, 2010 at 05:03 PM.
When Tom Chambers dunks an NBA player gets their hops...
If by go-to guy you mean most number of plays called for him, then yes I agree that he is. But if you mean one who you'd want taking that last second shot, or the one whom you can rely on to carry the team when everyone else is in a slump...then no I don't think he is.
First off, he isn't that good at creating his own shot. So when a play is broken and the shot clock is winding down, putting the ball in his hands isn't really a good idea (often leads to a bad forced shot). He can blow by a slower big, and post up a smaller guy, but doesn't do it consistently or effectively enough (yet). He is also very very inconsistent, and relying on him to carry the scoring load night in and night out is a bad idea. And I think the coaches know this and are thus trying to involve everyone else in the offense. And lastly, I believe the coaches know that, once the opposing team draws up a defensive scheme for Bargnani, there's little the guy can do to counter it effectively. He just isn't that good (yet) or experienced imo.
Now this could all change during the season, and we see a much better, much improved Bargnani, but neither we nor the coaches can state that as fact at this point. Putting it all on his shoulders just because he was drafted number 1 isn't really fair to the guy. He definitely needs to step up (a lot), but so does the rest of the team if they want to succeed. It's on EVERYONE.
Back to the original topic though, it's been beaten to death already. Bargnani will probably be the focal point of the offence (but probably not by much, I think); whether he has the talent for that role remains to be seen, even if things aren't looking spectacular right now.
Every time I get hopeful and I start feeling like he's really showing progress, he regress'. Case in point: The end stretch of last season with Bosh out Andrea disappeared. It wasn't even about "stepping up" he didn't play up to his own level, he faded. His post game started off improved at both ends last season but that too disappeared when the going got tough. I see the flashes but Andrea as the go-to guy is far fetched IMO. I think his game screams role player, not top dog.
He's not even option 2 in my opinion. He'll never be the main option because he's Dirk Nowitzki 2.0 with 5 years worth of bball IQ regression. Yes, he's Euro, 7-feet tall and can knock the three's - 34% of the time. However, the difference between him and Dirk is not the physical and offensive skill set. It's the basketball IQ. Perhaps I'm the first to acknowledge this but it's his IQ. He simply does not strike me as a smart player. He's slow on defense but his positioning and help D is atrocious (that's IQ). Every time someone penetrates the zone, he acts like a 2 year-old trying to defend a home broken in by burglars.
I know that this thread is on offense but I feel that the more attention is made about his defence or lack thereof, the more he's likely to tail off on his offensive talents. Hence the need to switch his position to the 4. Less emphasis on defence and more on offence. That way, the media and fans can get off his ass about how he's got the defensive mindset of a sea-horse. The latest moves made and now the attempt to bring in Dampier is just another one of BC's long strings of attempts to feature Bargs as the second coming of Dirk. He'll go down with Andrea one way or another.
“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King
A very interesting find that I wanted to share with all the RR folks to get your feedback on this on-point breakdown (in my mind) of Bargnani's skills & hype. Click on the provided link for myth breakdowns # 9 - 1.
10. BARGNANI IS A TOP TEN CENTER
There was a poll recently on Raptors Republic that asked whether Bargnani is a top ten center. Half of the respondents answered yes, which was rather disconcerting. I’m not sure whether these people simply HOPE he’ll be a top ten center, or whether they just value offense over defense and rebounding, but the way Bargnani is right now, he’s not.
The main argument seems to be that Bargnani is such a great scorer that he’s obviously a top ten center. Well, not quite. First of all, according to ESPN, Bargnani was 6th among centers in scoring this season, a hair above Al Jefferson. It’s certainly not ridiculous to argue that he has a chance to be the top scoring center in the league this season. No center scored more than 20.2 ppg last season and without Bosh, it’s possible Bargnani could average more than that.
And while it’s certainly possible, although no probable, that Bargnani could end up being the top scoring center, does that automatically make him a top ten center? Well, no. Again, that brings us back to defense and rebounding.
Last season, Bargnani was 45th in the league in rebounding, despite being 42nd in minutes per game. 16 centers grabbed more rebounds than Bargnani did last season. All but 2 played fewer minutes than Bargnani. Per minute, Bargnani is even worse. He’s 79th overall or 30th in rebounding among centers. In fact, Bargnani was the second worst rebounding center in the entire league, ahead of only Ryan Hollins. And the only PFs who are worse rebounders are guys like Jeff Green and Rashard Lewis, who are naturally small forwards. Needless to say, Bargnani is a very, very poor rebounder.
Just looking at his statistics, Bargnani certainly isn’t a top ten center. John Hollinger’s PER is renowned for not paying attention to defense, and last season Bargnani was 27th among centers. However much I don’t like the PER rating, it does give a good idea of the on court production of a player. What I don’t like is that it doesn’t properly take into consideration defense. Of course, defense isn’t a Bargnani strong suit, either.
Bargnani is a pretty good post defender, in certain circumstances, but he’s certainly a poor defender overall. So if not even the PER rating, which mostly ignores defense, doesn’t place him in the top ten, why on earth would anyone rank him that high if you include defense?
Offensively, I’d say he is a top ten center. Overall, there’s no way.
Just for the record, here are the centers I believe are inarguably better than Bargnani. Notice there are more than 10. And keep in mind I only included legit centers, so no David Lee, Al Jefferson or even Tim Duncan, who probably is a center, but is generally listed as a PF.
In no particular order:
Most are not the scorer that Bargnani is, but all are better defenders and rebounders than Bargnani is.END
Other Bargnani myths discussed on the blog link:
9. BARGNANI IS A GOOD INTERIOR DEFENDER BECAUSE HE BLOCKS A LOT OF SHOTS
8. BARGNANI IS A GOOD PASSER
7. BARGNANI SHOULD REBOUND BETTER WITHOUT BOSH
6. BARGNANI HAS IMPROVED EVERY YEAR IN THE NBA
5. BARGNANI IS A GREAT SCORER
4. BARGNANI HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO SHINE
3. BARGNANI IS LIKE DIRK NOWITZKI OR PAU GASOL
2. BARGNANI IS REALLY A POWER FORWARD
1. I HATE BARGNANI AND AM BEING TOO HARD ON HIM
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