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Thread: Everything Bargnani: The Legend Continues

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    What are our thoughts on Greg Oden being that 'perfect compliment' to Bargnani?

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    Sure, if only Greg Oden played basketball.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Sure, if only Greg Oden played basketball.
    Exactly. He technically would be the 'perfect compliment' to Bargs; on paper. On the court? You'll never see him.

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    I was never trying to imply that he is the next Dirk. Just that when Andrea was compared in the past everyone freaked out but now his game and numbers are getting pretty damn similar. So maybe those comparisons are closer then first thought. I dont like saying andrea is the next dirk or Derozan the next kobe. that wasnt the point. I was jsut saying theyre numbers are getting similar, not refering to their game spicifically.

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    Ummm... Before we start anointing him the next Dirk or whatever, I'm not even quite sure if he's the next LaMarcus Aldridge:

    Aldridge: 20.4 points, 8.9 Reb, 1.9 Ast, 48% Shooting, 1.23 Blocks, 20.4 PER, 53% TS%, 4.5 Win Shares

    Bargnani: 21.7[points, 5.7 Reb, 1.8 Ast, 48% Shooting, 0.8 Blocks, 17.7 PER, 55% TS%, 1.7 Win Shares

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    Quote Junior wrote: View Post
    What are our thoughts on Greg Oden being that 'perfect compliment' to Bargnani?
    SHouldn't we be trying to figure out who is the best compliment to Ed Davis?
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    "So I guess no one wants to look at advanced statistics. People who say Bargnani is close need to watch A LOT more Dirk. And everyone needs to remember that while Dirk did win MVP, he was also on the team that collapsed to the Heat in the Finals, and then lost in the first round the next season after winning 67 games. In that past ten years, Dallas has been past the second round twice, and lost in the first round 4 times. Maybe Dirk and the Mavericks are not a player and team you want to try and emulate. "

    I think most of the raptors fans would love to "emulate" the success the Mavs had over the past 10 Years since Dirk was there.

    Maybe Bargs is close from a statistical standpoint, but players on scrubteams have usually have better stats. Look at Monta Ellis and so many others. Bargnani is nowhere close to the impact Dirk hast on the offensive end. But he sure has lots of talent.

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    A. Bargnani 31 Pts, 9 Reb, 3 Ast, 1 Stl, 1 Blk
    now those numbers are dirkish!

    in not saying Brags is the next dirk i was just saying they have similar stats so the comparison is a pretty fair one at this point. There is way to many haters here.

    Hey DirtyMike , go cheer for the trail blazers then ! ur clearly not a true fan and just a hater...

    Get ur negative BS outta here

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    SHouldn't we be trying to figure out who is the best compliment to Ed Davis?
    Bargnani is not going anywhere in case you and the other brainwaves here have not yet figured that out, so you may want to forget about Davis and try figuring out who should be playing next to Roberto Luongo!

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    Their offenses are comparable however

    1. Dirk is a lot better shooter

    2010-11
    ------------Bargs---------Dirk
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    TS% ------.551----------.632
    eFG%-----.511----------.573


    2. Dirk is also a lot better defender

    Def Rat---112-----------103 (The lower the better)

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bargnan01.html

    3. Dirk's English is also a lot better

    Comparing Bargnani to Dirk is like comparing Amir to Rodman
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    ..........and this thread is another perfect example of why stat heads need to stick with baseball. In Basketball stats tell half the story. If that.

    Dirk is arguably HOF material. Andrea has yet to make a BS all-star game, much less an all NBA team, a finals appearance, an MVP... the list goes on. Really this is only a topic cuz they are both white 7 foot jump shooters. Only thing Drea does better than the Diggler is choose girlfriends.
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    i hope aldridge is putting up those numbers...he got $80 mil!!!

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    I hope so too, he's on my fantasy squad!

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    Quote djsunyc wrote: View Post
    i think over the years - bargs has shown to be a big shot maker. even in the course of a game, when we needed a big shot to stop opposing team's momentum, he would hit one. even something as trivial as saving the 3 point streak in previous years, he would hit it. that 3 in josh smith's face was a stone cold dagger - along with that 3 to tie it up in ny the night he scored 41.

    dirk is probably the best shooting big man of all time. but to compare the two is very difficult b/c of circumstances. dirk was initially coached by don nelson and teamed up with steve nash and finley. he was given big time minutes basically right away and put in an environment where he could play through all his mistakes and play a style that would help expediate the development of his offense. i mean he got to play with nash and another high quality scoring wing and for a coach that lets you do your thing.

    so the environment both were developed in were different...so we are here today and right now, bargs offense is pretty darn impressive considering he's the only guy opposing coaches have to try and stop. but can't.
    +11111111111111111111 but still many people complain ! he's already better than Bosh , and more versatile offensively of Dirk even if the german is a better flat shooter !

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Their offenses are comparable however

    1. Dirk is a lot better shooter

    2010-11
    ------------Bargs---------Dirk
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    TS% ------.551----------.632
    eFG%-----.511----------.573


    2. Dirk is also a lot better defender

    Def Rat---112-----------103 (The lower the better)

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bargnan01.html

    3. Dirk's English is also a lot better

    Comparing Bargnani to Dirk is like comparing Amir to Rodman
    And By the way you are just a homo Amir lover...and a idiot too!
    you are the one who said Amir is just a better player than Bargs? man how more wrong you can be? trade Amir a over priced bench freakin' player I know is not 100% but c'mon!

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    considering this team sticks as it is (maybe with minor changes), next year should be judgement year for andrea.
    this season, he can still get a free pass coz its his 1st season as the focal point of offense. but next year, no more excuses. he knows he should be the leader of this team, carry the scoring and rebounding load, and just be the superstar that this team needs. Personally, i think he can be that leader and superstar, but he's got a lot of work ahead of him.

    I think a lesson learned from the Bosh era is, get Andrea the help he needs, straight up, no ifs or buts. We all know the ifs and buts with the Bosh era - O'Neal: "if" he is healthy, Turkoglu: "if" he can coincide with a true PG, "but" if not then change him to a standstill shooter. Jack: not really a true PG "but" he can convince bosh to stay.

    Give andrea a true defensive shotblocking center, a create youre own shot wing and a true PG and he'll be happy.

    Dirk had all these - Dampier/Chandler, Terry/Howard, Kidd/Nash. Once Andrea gets these then we can start the comparisons.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    So I guess no one wants to look at advanced statistics. People who say Bargnani is close need to watch A LOT more Dirk. And everyone needs to remember that while Dirk did win MVP, he was also on the team that collapsed to the Heat in the Finals, and then lost in the first round the next season after winning 67 games. In that past ten years, Dallas has been past the second round twice, and lost in the first round 4 times. Maybe Dirk and the Mavericks are not a player and team you want to try and emulate.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    SHouldn't we be trying to figure out who is the best compliment to Ed Davis?
    you really make me puke now!

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    His stats for January are:

    25.3 points, 6.5 (1.7 offensive) rebounds, 2.3 assists, 2.3 turnovers, 1.5 blocks, 0.7 steals, 1.5 fouls, 83.3% from the stripe (4.2/5.0), 33.3% from three (1.2/3.5), 50.9% from the field (10.0/19.7) in 37 minutes a night.

    A couple things pop out:

    1) He has improved in every month this year.
    2) He has been averaging 25 points a game (although only 6 games)
    3) He has started blocking shots again after averaging .4 blocks a game last month.
    4) His assists are equal to his turnovers, the ratio has been improving every month as well.
    5) He only takes 3.5 shots from downtown, out of his 20 shots (22.5 if you count free-throws)

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    His stats for January are:

    25.3 points, 6.5 (1.7 offensive) rebounds, 2.3 assists, 2.3 turnovers, 1.5 blocks, 0.7 steals, 1.5 fouls, 83.3% from the stripe (4.2/5.0), 33.3% from three (1.2/3.5), 50.9% from the field (10.0/19.7) in 37 minutes a night.

    A couple things pop out:

    1) He has improved in every month this year.
    2) He has been averaging 25 points a game (although only 6 games)
    3) He has started blocking shots again after averaging .4 blocks a game last month.
    4) His assists are equal to his turnovers, the ratio has been improving every month as well.
    5) He only takes 3.5 shots from downtown, out of his 20 shots (22.5 if you count free-throws)
    There really is improvement this year. One thing to keep in mind when comparing this month versus last month is the calf injury. That would probably explain the block improvement.

    It is still extremely frustrating to see him watch rebounds go to opponents or miss box outs and then, as showed in the final couple of minutes versus DET, he aggressively grabs some important and contested rebounds on both the offensive and defense end. There is no doubt he is a confident scorer/shooter however it seems he almost doesn't believe he can do it in the other areas and then surprises himself and everyone else. I'm going with this angle because the alternative is he turns it on and off at will - and that would be the worst of all possibilities.

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