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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Majority of the players aren't Italian...

    Jack, DeRozen, Weems, Davis, Johnson, Evans...
    He's talking about this game. The Italians eventually lost against Israel.

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    Quote 3nr1c0 wrote: View Post
    there is an explaination for that, unfortunately
    Bargnani 20 (8/15,1/3,1/2) (he had 8 rebounds)
    Belinelli 20 (8/10,0/5,4/5)
    How can you be 8/10 FG and 0/5 3FG in the same game?

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    Quote dagon420 wrote: View Post
    To me it seems like a offensive 7 foot player who is considered athletic should a) defend his position, b) get shots off the dribble and c) rebound well.

    I think Dirk beats AB on all of those points - at least the last two for sure.

    I would say AB has AVERAGE athleticism and Dirk is certainly above average.
    Why then would Dirk say that Andrea is a better athlete??? Dirk isn't a great athlete he's a good athlete, thats coordinated and skilled (7footer) that is the best 7 footer shooter ever to play in the NBA. Andrea is a better athlete who isn't quite as coordinated as dirk.

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    Quote Macc wrote: View Post
    How can you be 8/10 FG and 0/5 3FG in the same game?
    it'd be 8/15 FG and 0/5 3FG

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    Well I'm italian and I've been following the national team since I was a kid in the 80's...Bargs and Beli (and Gallo but as you know he's not playing) are the only good players in this team. This is one of the weakest incarnations of my beloved Nazionale, with no talent and quality aside from the 3 NBA guys (save maybe Aradori who is still too raw). People confuse the relative success of a couple of players with the level of the whole team and movement; italian bball is in a bad crisis and on the verge of a civil war of sort...but I'm sure you don't care about that. My point is: Bargs and to a lesser extent Beli gave me a good impression BUT they are completely alone; you can't win at this level with 1/2 top players and a bunch of amateurs. In europe teams are pretty close in level, and Israel may lack stars but they are pretty well covered at all positions.
    As for the lack of threes etc by Bargs: the only thing that worked for Azzurri was giving the ball to Andrea in the post and wait for a double team, it was just the game plan, and he just played according to that...you might want to ask Triano about that.
    Oh and Beli was decent on offense but still poor on defense imo, still playing with hands and not with feet...same old story. Bargs for once had guys worse than him with team defense and I don't blame him for that defensive confusion, but still looking slow at reading situations at times.

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    Quote sixtyeight wrote: View Post
    Well I'm italian and I've been following the national team since I was a kid in the 80's...Bargs and Beli (and Gallo but as you know he's not playing) are the only good players in this team. This is one of the weakest incarnations of my beloved Nazionale, with no talent and quality aside from the 3 NBA guys (save maybe Aradori who is still too raw). People confuse the relative success of a couple of players with the level of the whole team and movement; italian bball is in a bad crisis and on the verge of a civil war of sort...but I'm sure you don't care about that. My point is: Bargs and to a lesser extent Beli gave me a good impression BUT they are completely alone; you can't win at this level with 1/2 top players and a bunch of amateurs. In europe teams are pretty close in level, and Israel may lack stars but they are pretty well covered at all positions.
    As for the lack of threes etc by Bargs: the only thing that worked for Azzurri was giving the ball to Andrea in the post and wait for a double team, it was just the game plan, and he just played according to that...you might want to ask Triano about that.
    Oh and Beli was decent on offense but still poor on defense imo, still playing with hands and not with feet...same old story. Bargs for once had guys worse than him with team defense and I don't blame him for that defensive confusion, but still looking slow at reading situations at times.
    Thanks for the insight, solid post.

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    Default The Impact Of Bargnani's Busy Summer Schedule

    I don't know if you all remember the last summer Bargnani had an intense summer schedule but I assure you what followed when he came back for the NBA season was a struggle. This coming NBA season will be one where he's expected to carry the weight of a franchise player. That would be more than enough pressure on him, let alone without a rested body. Do any of you feel his off-season schedule is too much given what he has waiting for him this fall?

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    Belli is more effective when he drives to the basket, unfortuntly in the NBA the players that are guarding him are much bigger and stronger then these euro's and getting to the basket on a consistent basis prove to be alot more difficult. It is no surprise that he settles more for his ugly off balanced jumpers which I hope he should be working on if he wants to get any minutes at all this up coming season.
    Last edited by Hotshot; Wed Aug 4th, 2010 at 12:14 PM.

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    no, I think its great that hes loyal to playing for his country and its the world championships. but, i think like last summer it was unnecessary because there is no world championships you should only be playing for your country if its the world championships or the olympics.

    especially, if you are a key part of your team where you play and you definitely should not play if you are coming off a significant injury.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't know if you all remember the last summer Bargnani had an intense summer schedule but I assure you what followed when he came back for the NBA season was a struggle. This coming NBA season will be one where he's expected to carry the weight of a franchise player. That would be more than enough pressure on him, let alone without a rested body. Do any of you feel his off-season schedule is too much given what he has waiting for him this fall?
    If the Raptors have to rely on Bargnani to carry the weight of a franchise player they are in deep deep dooda

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    dude, no posting without voting.
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    Quote sixtyeight wrote: View Post
    Well I'm italian and I've been following the national team since I was a kid in the 80's...Bargs and Beli (and Gallo but as you know he's not playing) are the only good players in this team. This is one of the weakest incarnations of my beloved Nazionale, with no talent and quality aside from the 3 NBA guys (save maybe Aradori who is still too raw). People confuse the relative success of a couple of players with the level of the whole team and movement; italian bball is in a bad crisis and on the verge of a civil war of sort...but I'm sure you don't care about that. My point is: Bargs and to a lesser extent Beli gave me a good impression BUT they are completely alone; you can't win at this level with 1/2 top players and a bunch of amateurs. In europe teams are pretty close in level, and Israel may lack stars but they are pretty well covered at all positions.
    As for the lack of threes etc by Bargs: the only thing that worked for Azzurri was giving the ball to Andrea in the post and wait for a double team, it was just the game plan, and he just played according to that...you might want to ask Triano about that.
    Oh and Beli was decent on offense but still poor on defense imo, still playing with hands and not with feet...same old story. Bargs for once had guys worse than him with team defense and I don't blame him for that defensive confusion, but still looking slow at reading situations at times.
    Well at least Bargs is getting experience at being doubled teamed LOL

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    no, I think its great that hes loyal to playing for his country and its the world championships. but, i think like last summer it was unnecessary because there is no world championships you should only be playing for your country if its the world championships or the olympics.

    especially, if you are a key part of your team where you play and you definitely should not play if you are coming off a significant injury.
    Italy is not participating in the world championships this year.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    If the Raptors have to rely on Bargnani to carry the weight of a franchise player they are in deep deep dooda

    The franchise is now in the hands of the "Young Gunz".
    ... Andrea is young and nobody on the team is going to be firing their gun as much...

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    The only thing that can help Bargnani's game is heart- going on year 5 we will see if he has the heart to be a franchise player as BC most likely envisioned when drafting him number one overall in 2006. He has to bring it every night- time will tell.

    Still best suited as the 1st big man off the bench.

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    Bargs needs touches and confidence as the key cog in the offense if his franchise plane is ever going to get off the ground. There is no reason he can't contribute as much as Bosh on the offensive end with less efficiency and more versatility towards the end of games. Playing for the Italian team should do both, but the worry is that he will lose his legs in a similar fashion to last season and the long jumpers will stop falling. Being a lesser version than Bosh as a franchise guy isn't ideal, but his supporting cast is exponentially better suited towards succeeding, albeit it might be a year away from translating potential into wins.

    All I expect from Bargs next year is to play hard, score 20 points a night and not look lost on defense. If he can consistently rebound that's great, but at this point he is not going to turn into Gerald Wallace and become a monster on the boards overnight.

    Hopefully he won't have to carry the burden as 'franchise guy' very long and Derozan will start to share the load. I don't think anyone worries about either guys ability to score, the hope is that they put as much effort into hustling on defense as they do trying to score in transition.

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    More games, more experience the better for Bargs.

    He's not going to get any better at help D or game control by sitting at home or working out in a gym.

    Also, he's one of the focal points of the Italian team's offense.. which should be quite similar to his Raptor role

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    I just can't get past that travel at 2:45... haha. Definitely one of the best games of his career though, seemed like everything was working for him.

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    Any one know what kind of stats Barg is putting up at these game ?

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