Look at last season. Bargnani started off the season posting up a lot more and driving the ball more. In fact, in his first five games, he had a FTA/FGA ratio of 37%. That's excellent. And I recall someone here even pointing that out to me. Then the next two games he didn't get to the line once. He started taking more jumpers and settling for outside shots, more.
And why do YOU believe he can sustain any improvements he makes? What, in his history, makes you think he can?
And I'm not drawing different lines. Everyone else seems to be. I've never believed his defense will be adequate enough for him to be anything but a liability on defense and that would make it more difficult for the Raptors in the playoffs. Even if his defense improves, as I stated earlier, it would have to be a HUGE improvement for him to be adequate defensively, in my books. And just so you know I'm not picking on Bargnani, I've also said I'd want nothing to do with Amare or Boozer, either.
- "We need to trade him right now before the mystic of being the #1 pick rubs off and we can't get top value for him."
- "We need to move him right now because we don't want to see him locked up to a long term contract"
- "We need to trade him right now because his value is only going to lessen. We need to get rid of this big contract before it can't be moved"
All reasonable points when they were made countless times in the past but now there is no risk to keeping him. Cutting him wouldn't put them back too much, they're rebuilding. One more higher lottery pick? Not so bad when they suck now anyway. The Amnesty Clause is a game changer. And if they decide to trade him, well, he is what he is right now. I don't see his value being less at the end of the season if he scores like last year and doesn't improve at all.
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to some games. I want to start judging him based on the new landscape instead of trying to interpolate based on the past, which is obsolete given the new factors and information.
Now, I'd tend to agree that rebounding is mostly effort, your earlier comment about Rodman seems to contradict this. It wasn't just effort, but studying the game.
And Bargnani's lack of defense is not just effort. I'm not sure why you say that. Not from what I've seen. Yes, that's part of it, but most of it seems to be the fact that it's simply not instinctual with him. The problem with being taught how to play defense at this level is that it means you have to think about it. If you're thinking about what you have to do on defense, you're too late. Especially in the NBA. You can be taught what to do in certain situations and what players have certain tendencies, but if you don't have the instincts, you're still going to be clueless out there.
i think they are guided to say certain things, but theyre not told to only say whats right. we've seen a lot of players who have been very vocal.
well didnt you say Bargnani was going to be traded because of the things Colangelo said and ok, did or are doing? Well i havent read anywhere that Bargnani has been traded. And we're one week away from the season. Oh, i guess now youre going to say the trade deadline hasnt passed yet?
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The plot line may be altered but its still the same old story. 'Maybe this year will be different'.
There is a risk to that. Just like there was a risk every other year it happened. Sometimes the risk is more, sometimes its less... but each time you take that risk 'one more time' all you've done is marginalize your returns
I also disagree in terms of trade value. He's the primary option and Casey it talking like that isn't changing, in fact Casey wants to work on feeding him more high percentage opportunities. His scoring will be fine and that's his market right now anyway.
'Cause we have the definite answers and the only reason we are not coaching or managing a team is we were not provided with the opportunity! But we would rock if we were ever empowered! 82-0 (or 0-82 if you prefer tanking) GUARANTEE!
Just poking fun at you (and others) a little bit; please don't read too much nto it.
And I have no doubt we'll see improvements for Bargnani. Hearing that he's working hard is encouraging. But, again, it's not going to turn him into a player he simply is not.
And I never said Bargnani was going to be traded. I wrote a post about it here...
If it was just what COlangelo had said, I would have taken it with a grain of salt. It was the fact that there were other things going on that made me look closer to what Colangelo was saying. And I was simply implying that I thought the Raptors were now open to trading Bargnani. I still think that might be true. Of course, none of us knows what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe Casey said to give him some time with him and see if he turns things around. I can see Colangelo not thinking theres any hurry in trading Bargnani. It's a "lost" season, in terms of wins and losses, so maybe Casey and Colangelo decided to see what happens. Who knows?
I'm not sure why you're trying to throw it back in my face, though.
How would you rate Dirk Nowitzski as a rebounder? It would help me understand your position.
I don't understand why you say I set the bar low when I would like him to increase his DRR from 13.9% to 19-20% to make me very happy. That's a 30% increase from last year and he would be an average defensive rebounder at that rate. I believe it is far more reasonable to ask someone who was always poor or horrible at something to become average at it because it is a goal the individual may accept as reachable. In my opinion, asking someone who is poor or horrible at something to suddendly become great at it (and 24% DRR is a great defensive rebounding rate) is setting expectations the individual cannot achieve and is incredibly bad people management in my experience.
I would also like Amir Johnson to grab defensive rebounds at the same 19-20% rate. Amir was a slightly below average defensive rebounder last year and I believe he can improve upon that.
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