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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Boozer sucks but his contract is a lot shorter than Bargs and the ability to shed Bargs AND Kleiza's contract is pretty rad.
    "a lot shorter"? it's exactly same length, and with Kleiza included, there bgoes the ability to amnesty anybody you'd want to.

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    Oh by the way, I loved the Gay deal, I just don't think this is as beneficial.
    The things about the Gay trade is that it all depends on how well Gay performs in his time as a Raptor. If he can give us consistent all-star numbers, I have no problem with the trade. It also depends on what else BC has cooking in his mind. If he can reshape this roster into something that would work with Gay's skill set and strengths, along with the team's needs, the trade would be an overall success. Finally, if we do end up making further into the playoffs (maybe the second round), I can see Gay more likely resigning with us.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Defense is a team thing that everyone has to commit to. Bargs' man D has been good for a couple of seasons now, but he just is very rarely engaged in playing team D, filling spaces and helping properly. He also doesn't rebound, which a lot of coaches try to tell guys is the most important part of D, because solid D doesn't matter if you can't get the ball. Boozer definitely rebounds, and he's clearly been committed enough to fit into maybe the best D in the league.
    Yet they want to trade him for a 7' 3 pt shooter that "doesn't play team D well". Hmmmmmm, why does Chicago want to make this trade?

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    If this goes down I'd be happy but wow really? Boozer is a piece for that championship hunt... and Bargnani is the wrong guy to play on a get down and dirty bulks team full of emotional guys like Noah
    lol I can see Noah smacking Bargnani on the head multiple times for playing no defense and shooting threes all the time xD

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    How? and don't gimme that "huge contract" BS. Boozer is simply a much better PF than Bargnani, plain and simple. You have to spend to win or you'll end up like Memphis
    How? Well, how does Boozer fit a team with high usage players who's main issue has been defence this year?

    Boozer doesn't significantly upgrade this team defensively even if Andrea is the player going the other way. He might not blow rotations or be passive defensively but he's still an average to below average defender.

    Bulls want to get rid of him because they don't want to pay that contract. And his contract IS large for a player of his productivity.

    What's wrong with ending up like Memphis? Top 4-5 seed in the West no?

    Most good teams (OKC, Miami, Memphis, SA) spend money on players that help them win, plain and simple. They don't overpay role players. Booozer is not going to impact winning that much on this Raps team.

    I would agree with you that Boozer is better than Andrea but how good is he really and what will his impact be on the floor when it comes to w vs l's?

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a28zws9

    Boozer/Robinson

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    Bargnani/Lucas


    Draft pick included from Chicago and I'm good with it.
    This trade? Done! Let's get this signed and official

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I'm generally ok with it...we're still going to have issues at PG though. Robinson is an upgrade as a shoot-first PG...but we'd stil only be 2-deep. It would still leave a lot of pressure on Lowry to get people involved, and leave us needing a 3rd stringer...which is obviously better than needing a 2nd stringer though...
    Get Mr. Triple Double and get rid of Pietrus xD

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    Yet they want to trade him for a 7' 3 pt shooter that "doesn't play team D well". Hmmmmmm, why does Chicago want to make this trade?
    Salary cap considerations and they can win without him.

    Most of Chicago's perimeter guys including Deng are volume shooters. Andrea, when motivated, can shoot and he might add another dimension to that team in a specific role. If Thibs can't make him do what is needed, I doubt any coach can.

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    How? Well, how does Boozer fit a team with high usage players who's main issue has been defence this year?

    Boozer doesn't significantly upgrade this team defensively even if Andrea is the player going the other way. He might not blow rotations or be passive defensively but he's still an average to below average defender.

    Bulls want to get rid of him because they don't want to pay that contract. And his contract IS large for a player of his productivity.

    What's wrong with ending up like Memphis? Top 4-5 seed in the West no?

    Most good teams (OKC, Miami, Memphis, SA) spend money on players that help them win, plain and simple. They don't overpay role players. Booozer is not going to impact winning that much on this Raps team.

    I would agree with you that Boozer is better than Andrea but how good is he really and what will his impact be on the floor when it comes to w vs l's?
    When he meant "ending up like Memphis", he didn't mean playing as well as Memphis and being one of the top team in the NBA. He means the ownership being cheap and thinking more about not paying the luxury tax rather than trying to win a championship.

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    I feel like Boozer is the sort of player who would complain and hate coming to Toronto... Just a vibe I get from his personality.

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    Salary cap considerations and they can win without him.

    Most of Chicago's perimeter guys including Deng are volume shooters. Andrea, when motivated, can shoot and he might add another dimension to that team in a specific role. If Thibs can't make him do what is needed, I doubt any coach can.
    It would be so hilarious if Thibs transforms Bargnani into a defensive player of the year candidate. I would laugh so hard at Casey and BC xD

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    Yet they want to trade him for a 7' 3 pt shooter that "doesn't play team D well". Hmmmmmm, why does Chicago want to make this trade?
    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    Salary cap considerations and they can win without him.

    Most of Chicago's perimeter guys including Deng are volume shooters. Andrea, when motivated, can shoot and he might add another dimension to that team in a specific role. If Thibs can't make him do what is needed, I doubt any coach can.
    What Sleepz said, plus add that the perimeter shooting will be even more valuable when Rose, and his drive and kick game, come back. They also have a coach, and players in Noah, Gibson, Deng and Rose to hold him accountable. Toronto fired Mitchell, the only guy who tried, and I think any attempt to get him to play D for this team was a lost cause after that, especially as constructed with no real vets and a spineless coach in Triano for 2 years.

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    take a look at this trade the salary total would be almost equal
    the trade here also adresses chicagos 3 pt shooting by sending 2 players

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bqbnkv3

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    Interesting Chicago perspective. People do weird things when it comes to the luxury tax.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bull...-inflexibility

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    Quote Raptorsnz wrote: View Post
    I feel like Boozer is the sort of player who would complain and hate coming to Toronto... Just a vibe I get from his personality.
    Ya I get that feeling too Where Gay came in humble with legitimate look of finally somewhere new I want to be here I dont think Boozer would look thrilled...

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    Boozer has 3 years left on his contract, this is considered moderate risk, high reward with his age given (31)
    with the toughness he brings Toronto really needed inside since losing Ed Davis.
    Either way, boozer has a contract that should keep our core group together

    Contracts:

    Derozan:5 yrs
    Ross:4 yrs
    Valanciunas:4 yrs
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    Rudy:3 yrs
    Fields:3 yrs
    Last edited by Reyaz123; Thu Feb 7th, 2013 at 09:52 PM.

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    If I get this straight, according to Matt52's post at 6:47 (?), these "talks" aren't active at all. When the "talks" took place, Chicago initiated them, whatever the other details were, BC dismissed the proposal. Now Stein is speculating that maybe the Raps might be interested if the "sweeten the pot" with Nate.

    We're talking about someone's speculation that Nate Robinson is suddenly going to change BC's mind by offering Lowry 2.0? Really? As I said in another post, internet NBA writers across the continent know how to up their hits, no matter how real/unreal the bullshit regarding the Raps is.

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    Give us marquis Teague and a first round pick and we'll do it

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    With the injury to Rose, that has a trickle down effect on the rest of the team. Things aren't going to be as easy without a talent like Rose on the floor.

    November and December was brutal to start the year but he came around in January.
    Not including tonight's game, Boozer is 48.4% (125 for 258) from the floor in January and February, which would be the worse FG% of his career.

    I am not confident he would regain his old form if traded and, at his salary, anything but his old self is overpaying.

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    Update seems aptors are the ones holding back The deal would include Bargnani + "fan favorite" (shudders) JL3 for Boozer and Nate Robinson....

    Chicago seems to be the ones pursuing this deal not Toronto as much. Interesting Maybe Boozer and that rookie guard of theirs would do it.

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...-boozer-trade/

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