Fickle group these Raptor fans! When others were calling for his head I felt he could still contribute if the role was changed.
Two games doesn't prove me right but I am sure of this he can contribute some time somewhere. Toronto better get something good in return if they do let him go!
The best way to predict your future is to create it - Peter Drucker
Anyone who boos the home team or any of its players has zero class and is acting like a douche whether he wants to admit it or not.
Anyone who wonders why this is so, or needs an explanation as to why the "i paid for my ticket therefore I can do whatever the hell I want" argument is just irresponsible and immature. Yeah I said it
"I PAID for my ticket so I can do whatever I want!" --- f*%ck outta here!
Like people have been saying, this is a new team and Bargs has a new role. We shouldnt just get rid of the guy just for the sake of getting rid of him. He might still contribute to this team and who knows, he might just prove all the haters wrong.
Honestly I didn't think he played that great. I absolutely HATE when he leaves his man to go chase someone and attempt a double team. It always fails and they easily get it to his man for the easy bucket. The best part of his game last night was that he didn't shoot 20 times. #tradebargnani
Guys! Ive come to the conclusion that Bargnanis value will be optimally reaped IF we trade for younger assists, focus on maximizing capspace, and maybe draft picks!
Im thinking something along these lines:
Beno Udrih + John Henson (+MAYBE 1st round pick) ---> Bargnani
Reasoning for Bucks: Give up very little for a sharpshooting 7 footer who could play along side Larry Sanders. If there is anyone who could form a strong defensive lineup with the aboveaverage man-man defender Bargnani, would be the best rotating help, shotblocker in the game. Bargnani will finally stretch the floor for that sputtering Bucks offense. Giving up spare parts fo Bargnani without touching their core would help vault the Bucks to the next tier in the EC (up there with Indiana).
Reasoning for Raptors:
1) Beno Udrih is a high FG% veteran back up PG. Not a chucker like John Lucas. He will help stabilize the position for the rest of the season.
2) Beno Udrih has a 7 Mil expiring contract, which will be the only way we can sign any free agent help this offseason. Shaking off Bargs 10mil contract with a 7Mil expiring is probably much wiser than the 'amnesty' Bargnani nonsense I keep hearing.
3) John Henson is key. I advise everyone to go look at this stats when he is given actual minutes. Really go through his Game log. Milwaukee has a glut of young bigs, and John Henson feels it. But when he DOES play, he can go off, and be effecient and dangerous. He is very long, and only a rookie. I like the idea of moving Amir to the starting powerforward spot, and having this Rookie come together off the bench for us.
4) The potential for an extra pick. This depends purely on Bargs' play coming back from injury. If he kills it and becomes more attractive, Milwaukees first round pick may become our asset. Its no lottery pick, but could be used for a high potential, low risk, center to further improve our depth.
Amir, John Henson
-> extra 20-24th pick (High-upside low-risk Center)
-> 7Mil off the books in the summer for potential FA signing. (Back up PG.... Calderon anyone?)
The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
I don't now. I was big on this deal a few days ago. I think it was just initial excitement because I feared BC would end up sticking us with a knucklehead like Tyrus Thomas.
Boozer certainly has some things that we need, but I just don't trust his health, and do believe despite his strong season, he's very clearly on the decline. If we're goign to screw ourselves with a big contract, it either needs to be for a guy like Gasol (though with the injury this is not urgent) who can be shed quickly and also be a big contributor, or for a guy like Millsap or Jefferson, who can grow with this team....I'm not a big Smith fan...I think he's a guy who's production overstates his value on the court. That said, if he's your cup of tea, it still makes more sense to pay him than Boozer.
No, if we're going to trade Bargnani for a big money PF, it has to maintain flexibility, or be a piece for the future...Boozer accomplishes neither of these things. He helps the team on the court a bit now, at least we ahve to assume he would, but is just a 2-year rental, and doesn't really put us over the top in that time. And we have to assume his trade value is not going to go up.
All the 'informed' journalists/analysts claim the Bucks are willing to move anyone and it is known the Raptors/Colangelo have coveted Ilyasova. Not sure how the Raptors can make a deal with the Bucks without including DeRozan.
BTW, I do love your thinking here. Henson would be awesome. Picks would be awesome. Shedding salary would be good.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Basketball has clear winners every night --except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.
Deals have to be able to help out short term (Ridnour - expiring contract, strengthen the guard position) and our long term (Williams, prospect player, if non-improving, move CHEAP contract for prospects/picks).
Like I said, it's just my opinion bringing in a prospect forward/big and a veteran point guard to the team. I wouldn't be angry with Boozer as well, heck, he's a talent upgrade, but how much can we improve after acquiring Boozer? Whilst Williams can grow into a talented player being on a cheap contract, with Ridnour's $4 million expiring, allowing extra space for re-singing/deals.
With the new CBA, finance is a huge part REGARDLESS of talent, look at Memphis who gave up - arguably - their best player (I'm darn happy we're the landing spot), and teams continuously looking to gain space i.e. Utah, Atlanta.
A lot of talent being shopped, and in my opinion, if we were going to pay max for another player, I'd rather have Milsap/Smith > Boozer any day of the week.
Age, talent, and overall production on BOTH ends of the court are important. Smith and Milsap give that better than Boozer does at this point. Gotta think short-term, and long-term for this deal. Boozer with his contract is signed for long-term, but may not be the answer once the time comes.
Hes a nice NEUTRAL guy, who is hard to hate, but easy to dislike as a player. That's why he has to go.
Last edited by RandomGuy; Sat Feb 9th, 2013 at 05:30 PM.
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