View Poll Results: Grade Bargnani's game.

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    No thanks.

    I'd keep Bargnani.
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    No thanks. I'd rather keep Bargnani than trade for Ilyasova.

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    Ilyasova is not a need since we have Gay. He can shoot which is great since he can spread the floor.. but he's not a banger and until JV really develops it doesn't really make sense.

    I like his contract in that I think he's moveable (3 years @ $23.7M) if he doesn't fit. Everyone needs a shooter that can rebound. Because he's an upgrade over Bargnani I'd do it.

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    I wonder about a 3-way trade with Milwaukee & Utah, for Millsap? Would the Jazz have any interest in Ilyasova, assuming Milwaukee likes Bargnani?

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I wonder about a 3-way trade with Milwaukee & Utah, for Millsap? Would the Jazz have any interest in Ilyasova, assuming Milwaukee likes Bargnani?
    Oooooooohhhhh. Calgary, you thinker, you!

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    there are only three places Bargnani fits. Perhaps we should only be looking at trades 3 way or otherwise that involve the Lakers, the Rockets and Denver

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    Would Kanter/Ilyasova beat JV/Kleiza in a 2x2 game?

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    When is the trade deadline anyway?
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    When is the trade deadline anyway?
    February 21st... 10 days away... RR might explode between now and then!

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    okay so I changed my mind. Stretch fours look great in the regular season when the game is fun exciting and fast but more then ANYTHING we NEED a LOW POST OPTION. In the playoffs games slow down, defenses tighten, and low post guy who can pass out when doubled goes a long way towards success.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    February 21st... 10 days away... RR might explode between now and then!
    I'm scared that Colangelo might trade AB for players that we don't need like Ilyasova or old players with brutal contracts like Boozer and Gasol.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I'm scared that Colangelo might trade AB for players that we don't need like Ilyasova or old players with brutal contracts like Boozer and Gasol.
    Agreed.

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    I hope this doesnt go down... Its probably just BC testing the waters of potential Bargnani exchanges. Everyone should already know BC has had a thing for wanting Ilyasova for quite sometime theres news that Nets are heavily pursuing J. Smith.

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    Why do you guys consider Ilyasova a small forward? With his ability to rebound and shoot, I can easily see him playing 4 on a regular basis, especially in today's NBA of smaller, more mobile front court players. Yes, he doesn't have a well-developed back-to-the-basket game, but what of it?

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I'm scared that Colangelo might trade AB for players that we don't need like Ilyasova or old players with brutal contracts like Boozer and Gasol.
    Gasol is not a brutal contract in my opinion.

    He is still playing near all-star level when given opportunities away from Howard and is an expiring $19M contract next season when the SUPER luxury tax kicks in.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Care to explain this further?

    Contracts aside, Boozer has had a MUCH better career than Bargnani.
    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is 27, due to make $10.75M & $11.5M the next 2 seasons.

    Boozer is 31, due to make $15.3M & $16.8M the next 2 seasons.

    The Raps are already very close to the luxury tax threshold for next season and this trade would push them into the tax. Not only does that make them a tax team, but it severely limits their options for additional roster moves: no bi-annual exception, significantly reduced MLE, more strict financial trade requirements.

    I don't think Boozer is enough of an upgrade to justify making 42% / 46% more money than Bargnani over the next two seasons, especially with the negative impact on roster flexibility moving forward.
    These 2 comments go hand-in-hand.

    2013-14 payroll - with Boozer on board, or BYOB ... Bring your own Boozer.
    8 players (Rudy, Demar, Amir, Kyle, Fields, Jonas, Ross & Boozer) = $66.8 million [Luxury Tax ~ $70-$71 mil]

    2014-15 payroll
    7 players + Kyle's New contract (Rudy, Demar, Amir, Fields, Jonas, Ross + Boozer) = 68 million + Kyle
    If Kyle gets 10 million per season, the total payroll will cause some serious pain to Toronto's maneuverability options.

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    With Boozer, we are essentially buying a guy for his past, for a team that's looking towards their future. A guy whose Simple Rating this season (and last), suggests the team is better when he's off, then when he's on. A guy who will make 16.8 million dollars in his final year.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Gasol is not a brutal contract in my opinion.

    He is still playing near all-star level when given opportunities away from Howard and is an expiring $19M contract next season when the SUPER luxury tax kicks in.
    Agreed. Gasol would instantly help this team.

    A core of Lowry, Gay, and Gasol could threaten 50 wins next year.
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    Quote MikeToronto wrote: View Post
    Why do you guys consider Ilyasova a small forward? With his ability to rebound and shoot, I can easily see him playing 4 on a regular basis, especially in today's NBA of smaller, more mobile front court players. Yes, he doesn't have a well-developed back-to-the-basket game, but what of it?
    ESPN lists him as a SF. That is why I think.

    Yahoo! lists him as a forward and in fantasy ball he is a SF/PF. RotoWorld has him as a forward.

    I think "Forward" is appropriate. As you mention the game is getting smaller and more mobile. Ilyasova rebounds like a PF and shoots like a SF. Honestly, I have not seen enough of his defense to make an informed opinion.

    For all the love Millsap gets (and I love him too), if you are looking at offensive/defensive ratings:

    Player/OffRtg/DefRtg

    Millsap/113/104
    Ilyasova/113/103


    I would be excited about Ilyasova. This is a guy who shoots near 50% on 3's over the last few months. That is Bargnani on steroids.... plus he rebounds so now we have Bargnani on 'roids and HGH.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Gasol is not a brutal contract in my opinion.

    He is still playing near all-star level when given opportunities away from Howard and is an expiring $19M contract next season when the SUPER luxury tax kicks in.
    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Agreed. Gasol would instantly help this team.

    A core of Lowry, Gay, and Gasol could threaten 50 wins next year.
    Of all the Bargnani rumors, Gasol is the only one I'd consider, because of his skillset and contract. I really don't want Boozer (contract is too big for too long) or Ilyasova (too much of a forward tweener).

    One thing I like about Bargnani off the bench is that he can defend either the C or PF spot, allowing the Raps to run out big lineups, traditional lineups or small lineups. I don't think Ilyasova provides the same degree of lineup flexibility.

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