View Poll Results: Grade Bargnani's game.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'm quite confident that the NBA delayed the deal by 10 days to allow frustrated Raptor fans to rip the shit out of Bargnani for just a while longer....
    Don't you guys think you've ripped him enough

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    Quote T.Dot wrote: View Post
    Don't you guys think you've ripped him enough
    Bargnani is a public figure. As such, he's a target for criticism (whether it's fair or unfair).

    My advice would be to follow Bargnani's lead and not be bothered by it.
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    Camby isn't going to be traded. He's going to be bought-out probably within a week.

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    Quote T.Dot wrote: View Post
    Don't you guys think you've ripped him enough
    ummm, no i dont think any raptors fan has. we waited seven years for this day, obviously were going to make the most out of it

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I'd add Houston and GSW to the mix of 'contenders'.

    Camby for White & Houston's 2014 2nd rounder (via NY)?

    Camby for S&T with Landry?
    If Howard ends up in Houston, I think Novak becomes very valuable for them.

    As for Camby, Raps might reach agreement with him to hold out for the season (assuming nothing for him now) and they will try to trade him to a contender by trade deadline or they will release him so he can sign with who he chooses before March 1st.

    Win-win for everyone assuming he is not a whiney little bitch. lol
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    The fucker had a trade kicker clause in his contract. I read somewhere it's 5%, so he has just got another half a million reasons to "look forward to becoming a part of their storied franchise!!"

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    Wow i had no idea Novak and Camby had such contracts. Granted it's less of a cap hit than bargs but they're still pretty big - and long.

    I really don't see Camby being so tradeable, especially at his age, at this time. Maybe at the deadline if a contender has a big go down? Even then... What saves more money, him retiring or being bought out?

    Novak i could see being desirable, especially by a playoff team come deadline. GS specifically comes to mind. That said, i think he'll be useful regardless, he's already the team's best shooter and god knows we need that, especially when Gay and Val are on the floor.

    I think the next pieces moved are Demar and Gray. There's no more minutes for Gray, and he'd be valuable depth elsewhere.
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    Q-rich's PER is 0.7 which is actually kind of amazing
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Wow i had no idea Novak and Camby had such contracts. Granted it's less of a cap hit than bargs but they're still pretty big - and long.

    I really don't see Camby being so tradeable, especially at his age, at this time. Maybe at the deadline if a contender has a big go down? Even then... What saves more money, him retiring or being bought out?

    Novak i could see being desirable, especially by a playoff team come deadline. GS specifically comes to mind. That said, i think he'll be useful regardless, he's already the team's best shooter and god knows we need that, especially when Gay and Val are on the floor.

    I think the next pieces moved are Demar and Gray. There's no more minutes for Gray, and he'd be valuable depth elsewhere.
    What saves more money?
    Retirement. Raps don't pay him a cent.


    A better question for fan/salary cap purposes is what saves more cap space?
    Bought out.
    If he retires, the Raps might not pay him but they have to carry his salary on the books.
    If he is bought out, whatever he is bought out for is what goes on the books.


    Correct me if I am wrong but Camby has never won a ring while making over $100M as a player.
    I think the Raps might have some leverage.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    I think the next pieces moved are Demar and Gray. There's no more minutes for Gray, and he'd be valuable depth elsewhere.
    Did i miss something ? aren't JV and amir our only bigs, with Acy moving to the perimeter ? unless you're counting on camby actually playing for us, which i doubt.

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    Quote T.Dot wrote: View Post
    Don't you guys think you've ripped him enough
    It's like a gang of of bitter little girls in junior high. imo

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    What saves more money?
    Retirement. Raps don't pay him a cent.


    A better question for fan/salary cap purposes is what saves more cap space?
    Bought out.
    If he retires, the Raps might not pay him but they have to carry his salary on the books.
    If he is bought out, whatever he is bought out for is what goes on the books.


    Correct me if I am wrong but Camby has never won a ring while making over $100M as a player.
    I think the Raps might have some leverage.
    I thought when guys retire it still counts against the cap? No?

    edit: i just read the next paragraph durrrr
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    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    Did i miss something ? aren't JV and amir our only bigs, with Acy moving to the perimeter ? unless you're counting on camby actually playing for us, which i doubt.
    Novak is a big and Acy is still a big regardless of what dumb new position Casey made up
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Wow i had no idea Novak and Camby had such contracts. Granted it's less of a cap hit than bargs but they're still pretty big - and long.

    I really don't see Camby being so tradeable, especially at his age, at this time. Maybe at the deadline if a contender has a big go down? Even then... What saves more money, him retiring or being bought out?

    Novak i could see being desirable, especially by a playoff team come deadline. GS specifically comes to mind. That said, i think he'll be useful regardless, he's already the team's best shooter and god knows we need that, especially when Gay and Val are on the floor.

    I think the next pieces moved are Demar and Gray. There's no more minutes for Gray, and he'd be valuable depth elsewhere.
    I could be completely wrong here, but if Camby retired or was waived, the Raptors would still be on the hook for his salary on the books.. and the only time they wouldn't is if he suffered a career ending injury and the Raptors then waived him and then made some claim with the head office for approval.

    The good thing is that Camby's second year is only guaranteed for $1M. So if he was waived, he'd only be on the books for $1M next year. Novak has 3 years left, but he's making about $3.5M a year.. I think that can easily be moved to a team looking for a shooter.. and there are a lot of teams that love shooters on their roster.

    Q-Rich only has a 1 year guarantee. They have team options for years 2 and 3.. so can waive him after this year. No idea how much he's going to make though.. I guess we'll find out after July 10.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Novak is a big and Acy is still a big regardless of what dumb new position Casey made up
    I understand Novak has the size but his skill set is not going to bring the reasons Aaron Gray was on the floor, Acy lacks size & saddly casey is the one who's gonna make the decision where he plays. ( i agree with you its ridiculous).
    Point is we're gonna need a big body to play defense and Gray (to my dismay) is gonna continue to get minutes more so than novak & Acy.

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    It's like a gang of of bitter little girls in junior high. imo
    Ya, so much for the "Canadians are nicer than Americans" stereotype. At least we don't live in igloos. Let is go gentlemen.

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    Default Just Say NO To Green:

    Absolutely no to anything involving Gerald Green, from his draft day leaked rumors that he'd be unwilling to play in Toronto to his punk plays at the end of a couple games against the Raptors which were well in hand, no thank you.

    Actually, I rescind my thank you and I'll go with a flat no.

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    Green would be a great starter at the 3 for tanknation

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    Default Put me in coach

    But he's a clown. Give me a jersey. I'll gladly take the vet minimum and I guarantee you I can't stop anybody!

    I have the lateral quickness of an unbalanced clothes washer.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is a public figure. As such, he's a target for criticism (whether it's fair or unfair).

    My advice would be to follow Bargnani's lead and not be bothered by it.
    It's a fact that public figures are a target for criticism, but the criticism in general comes from a not really sophisticated part of the public, about whom Lebron was very right (something like 'they still wake up the next day in their sorry lives'? Probably very true for the people concerned). And it really shouldn't happen, though it always will; plenty of morons to go around.

    I don't, however, think Bargnani is somehow bothered by what is written here.

    About the use of 'storied', I don't know, but it might be a more common form in Italian.

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