Im happy there loosing IRving BABBYYYYYYY! The guy is playing injured he can cant even bend his knees. If i were triano i would take a conservative approach and put him on IR, let some other players develope. He's playing center by default. And quoting yourself in one article doesn't mean anyting, I tell myself im stupid all the time doesn't mean im actually stupid.
Last edited by DunkinDerozan; Mon Jan 31st, 2011 at 01:14 PM.
If the Raptors can really help the team in a trade, I wouldn't say no to Amir (is anyone on this team untradeable), but he's really one of three players on the team (along with Davis and DeRozan) that I don't think it's in the best interest of the franchise to trade away.
And no matter what team Bargnani is on, he's always going to cause major defensive problems for that team. He's basically the epitome of everything that is wrong with the Raptors- an offensive team that can't defend, can't keep their opponent off the boards and is wildly inconsistent. He's not the only problem, but he's a main source of them.
You know what would scare the crap out of me? Bargnani going to the Celtics. I don't think it will happen, but I think that is the one place where you can guarantee that they would whip him into shape mentally and physically.
Bargnani is asked how he gets beat on the boards.
"Being lazy maybe," he says. "That's the only reason it can be. I've got the body, I've got everything to take 10 rebounds a game. It's just sometimes I get lazy."
Well basically i didn't know much about him either until i saw this highlight package, I know this might just be an accumulation of all his best moments and don't know quality of the competiton, but from what I see in this video and what i read his potential is beast!.. http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kyrie-irving
plus the comparisions with irving are being made with chris paul not iverson... irving is lightning quick and creates for teamates gets them easy buckets which is something we need.
Last edited by DunkinDerozan; Mon Jan 31st, 2011 at 01:39 PM.
And yes, there are lots of players who only score. Terry actually defends, but Crawford is just a scorer. Of course, neither of those players start and until he got to Atlanta, had never played on a playoff team before. And the big difference between those guys and Bargnani is that Bargnani isn't a guard. He's a big man. It's not that people like their big men to rebound and defend. It's that they HAVE to do it for their team to be successful. You can get away with bringing a guard off the bench who does nothing but score. But if you had to choose between a big man who can score and do nothing else, and a big man who rebounds and defends, you're going to take the latter because he does more things that good teams need to do to win.
The PG position is becoming one of the most talented positions in basketball. Some of the best players in the league are at that position, and the majority of them are young.
I suggest you watch some Duke games when he starts playing again (he's been hurt lately).
if a team can get away with a guard not defending then if a guard defends extremely well, can we get away with a center not defending as much since offensive players will not be able to reach the basket considering your guards are extremely good defenders?
im not being sarcastic here Tim, i just want to figure out how you would go about it if things were flipped.....coz i think we give way too much accountability on Bargs, which, if he is labeled as a franchise player then he should be accountable for, what if we shifted the accountability to other players and let Bargs do what he is best at?
Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Mon Jan 31st, 2011 at 01:57 PM.
yeah, mah bad i forgot about he CP3 (6'0") but rose, d-will and nash are all 6'3" and we know how the NBA usually lists players shorter than what they really are, or is it the other way around?
He's not just a poor rebounder, he's one of the worst ever. You DO NOT just ignore things like that.
There is not being enough accountablilty for Bargs, that why Liston wrote that entire article, it's why fans are calling for his head. He'll have another nice scoring stretch, but the vast majority of fans won't care anymore until he becomes a passable defender and rebounder. He's does not do the necessary core skill for his position, whether he plays at the 4 or 5 he'll still get exposed.
We can put freaking Dwight beside him, and he'll still get exposed on the defensive end.
I'm uncomfortable with the statements that "Andrea is a scorer". He's a low-efficiency scorer who takes a lot of shots.
For me a true scorer is a high-efficiency scorer. Someone who ... when the ball goes up ... you feel comfortable it is going into the basket. Compare the true shooting percentage of people like Hedo Turkoglu (.521) or Chris Bosh (.504) to that of Andrea Bargnani (.467).
Last edited by Kuh; Mon Jan 31st, 2011 at 02:56 PM.
I dont know if he's the worst ever, he aint one of the best either, lets just settle for decent, shall we?
With this paragraph i totally agree. Instead of making him accountable for his rebounding, they gave him reggie who basically rebounds for him. But what he is now is what we got. plain and simple. most if not all the guys here are saying he's a lost cause when it comes to rebounding and defense, but his scoring abilities is undeniable. so get a defensive big to complement his skills.
i dont know about his statement. Rashard Lewis played with Dwight and they took that Magic team to the finals, and every year after they made it deep into the playoffs. Is Lewis a much better defensively than Bargs? I doubt it. Lewis got traded because of his massive contract, but if he had the contract like Bargs, im pretty sure the Magic will still keep him. He pulls opposing big men to the outside with his shooting, which allows Dwight to operate in the middle. Now defensively, Bargs is bigger than Rashard and any tiny, little-itty bit thing he can do on defense (as you guys point out he so bad defensively) will probably be good enough beside Dwight.
Dont get me wrong here guys, i dont have a man-crush on bargs.
If he were to be packaged on a deal that would get us John Wall or Derrick Rose or Dirk i wouldnt even give him a second look, but the fact of the matter is, those deals aint happening and for the meantime we are stuck with bargs so we gotta deal with that. love your own so to speak. and if there is a possibility that we can get those guys without including bargs then im all for it as well.
i just dont fancy tags such as "worst" rebounder ever or "worst" defensive player.....when you think of worst, araujo comes to mind (yeah i really hate that guy). but Bargs aint the worst, not the best either. average or maybe a little bit above average.
but hey, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. ill just rebutt it if i dont like it, hehehe
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