And teams don't need a stretch 4. Oklahoma certainly doesn't have one. Neither does San Antonio. All you really need is a big man who can hit from 15 feet to keep defenses honest, and Amir does this. I also don't see what the point of complaining that the Raptors won't have a big man who can stretch the defense when we don't even know who the center will even be next year. If it's Kanter, he's apparently a good outside shooter.
And your argument, as I've said, doesn't take into account who the center will be next year. And both Amir and Davis do provide offense. Not as much as Bargnani, but since they also play defense, they don't need to score as much to make a positive impact. No one is denying the need to provide offense, but you seem set on the player providing the offense having a negative impact on the defensive end. Most of us just would rather have any offensive players also being able to play defense. I really don't understand why you don't. It doesn't have to be one or the other, you know.
Why do so many Bargnani supporters (at least the most vocal ones) seem to believe that either a player is a great scorer, or has no offensive talent, and there's nothing in between? The whole argument seems to be that you need scoring to win, and if you want Bargnani traded that automatically means that you don't want anyone on the team that can score. It's either Bargnani or Reggie Evans.
Believe it or not, you can get a player who can score AND play defense. Can you imagine that?
Well, he is starting for a Play off team now and holding his own !! Same can be said to some extend about Jack. Same was said about Bonner. Bosh was deemed a weak defender and the Bashers were all over him last night.
Mark my word, AB will be dropping 30+ pt on this Scrub of Raptor team and will be shining in the play offs if he is traded.
And Bargnani may very well be dropping 30+ points on the Raptors next season, but he'll be doing it from a team about as bad as the Raptors are. I don't know why you'd think a good team would want a big who can't play defense.
As far as AB, this is where you and I disagree. You think AB can not play defense while I acknowledge his weakness in defense, claim that under the right system and with right coaching he will be a descent to good team defender.
If Bargnani could become a decent to good team defender, don't you think there would be SOME indication? I saw it with Bosh, despite a lot of people calling him a bad defender with the Raptors. I don't see it with Bargnani. At all. In order to be a good team defender you have to show some half decent IQ in that area, and Bargnani displays an extremely poor IQ in that area. You can't teach that.
If the lottery gives us the 3rd pick, Derrick Williams and Kyrie Irving will probably be gone when it's our turn to draft. According to different mocks drafts such as nbadraft.net, the Raptors would take Enes Kanter. He's a center. If he's good enough to start in his first season, we'll have a lot of bigs inside. Do you guys think that Andrea Bargnani could slide to the 3 spot? If the answer is yes, I think it could be great, because there is not a lot of possible options on the trade and free agent market. Here is what the core could look:
That's not bad and it's pretty realistic! What do you think?
I have to disagree, Bargnani is not a 3.
If there are questions as to whether Williams can play the 3 then Bargnani can definitely not play the 3.
He is not athletic enough to keep up with most 3's in the league.
OMG! Bargnani at the 3! What a can of worms you just opened up. You should brace yourself for the tsunami of hell nos coming your way.
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I pondered the idea recently.
We have seen Andrea abused @ Center.
We have seen Andrea molested @ PF
I don't think I have the ability to watch him get abused and molested @ SF. Horrified by the idea. He'd look like a human turnstile.
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If you've ever seen Bargnani try to play defence against Tayshaun Prince, you'll know what a bad idea playing Bargnani at the 3 is.
So what, trade him?
This might have worked better if they had kept him at the three years ago. As it is he has become way to heavy and slow to guard opposing threes. It's a shame really, if they had cast him as a three initially he might have done well there.
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There has been enough debate over the years as to whether Bargnani is a 4 or 5... I highly doubt even his biggest supporter would be in favor of the idea of him playing the 3! He just simply isn't athetlic/quick enough to do so at either end of the court.
If the Raptors can somehow find a defensive-minded C that is young & talented enough to become part of the long-term core of the team along with Davis/DeRozan, then I expect to see Bargnani or Amir traded. There wouldn't be enough minutes for all 4 bigs and it would be far more beneficial to use one of them in a trade to acquire a starter that address a need at another position (ie: starting SF).
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