I'm not saying I hope he fails I'm saying I don't want to hear "we told you so" over and over
I get enough of it from my wife
Well besides Multipaul, I'm not sure anyone in the entire Forum has ever consistently backed Bargnani. Haha
I support him, and always have, but I'm not sure there is anyone around these parts who could turn around and say "I told you so", and not be lying to themselves. Everyone has had doubts about the guy, and that is understandable.
I have high hopes he puts those doubts to rest and starts playing like we expect him to; however I will not be surprised if he doesn't.
Oh I support him too. I've just also seen him play the last couple years.
Amongst my friends im THE biggest Bargnani troll, the only way i can defend myself against their ridicule is to hype him up haha and ive been waiting to prove them wrong for a while now..
However i have a bet with my mate $20 that Bargs will be in one of the All NBA teams! (i'd had a few ok)
Here in New Zealand, everyones a cliched Miami , Bulls or Lakers fan, so to be aRaptors fan you cop it alot haha, so i WILL be one of the ones to say 'I told you so' when the time comes!
In the mean time, ill continue to unecessarily hype up Bargnani to false expectations...for now, hes gonna surprise us
With that said, I'd love him to finally 'get it'. If he could play average defense and get average rebounds he would be a top player in the league.
If, if, if, if, if...... IF.
Notice that is 5 if's and a sixth upcoming?
Love that this thread has cracked 200 pages.
Anyway, was rooting around basketballreference for absolutely no reason, and came up with a question (or series of questions).
1. Is Andrea Bargnani actually any better than Charlie Villanueva? Go check out their careers, they're actually strikingly similar. Villanueva actually has a marginal edge in most of the advanced stat categories.
2. Have other NBA GM's realized this? If Colangelo called up Dumars and said "hey look I'll give you Bargnani and take Charlie Villanueva off your hands", what would Dumars do?
3. As a Raptor fan how would you feel about this trade? Villanueva is basically the same guy, no defense, lots of perimeter shooting, frustratingly skilled, only less Italian and less hairy.
The benefit is that Villanueva is owed 31 million over the next 4 seasons, vs the 50 million over the next 5 for Bargnani. I guess Dumars might not want to take on the extra money, but if he doesn't what does that say about the trade market for Bargnani if we can't even get a guy who's widely regarded as an overpaid bench player for an also ran?
Personally I would do this in a heartbeat. I'm out on Bargnani, and I think it's a good idea to move him before the rest of the league figures it out and we're sitting around in 2015 asking how that white dude on the bench is making 11.5 mil.
Fun Fact: ShamSports.com's description of Villanueva's contract includes the following gem "contains performance bonuses currently listed as 'unlikely'."
Last edited by LamarVannoy; Fri Dec 2nd, 2011 at 12:41 AM. Reason: hilarity
Villanueva has a favourable contract to Bargnani but I can't get excited about the prospect of CV back in a Raptors uniform. It's more of the same thing and the Raptors are deepest at that PF position.
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