no the "team" folded when Bosh was out he averaged 20 points and 6 rebounds in april and if u remember was one of the only players that showed up in that game against chicago when he led the team with 18 points derozan got a total of 0 points turk got 6 points.. im not saying he's a star or a franchise player not even close but he's definately an above average role player with a good contract for the production we get
Last edited by nubreed000; Tue Jul 13th, 2010 at 10:10 PM.
What do you have wrong?? Are you kidding? 4th stringer?? How many players in the league average 17 points, 6 rebounds and almost 2 blocks?? All while playing in a half court system designed around a player that gets the majority of touches on offence, and sat under the glass on defense while Bargnani was forced to cover the pick ad rolls at the top of the key since our guards could not break through a paper wall. You either know very little about the sport, or you just hate the guy for the fact he's Italian as you've shown your coloursthere too.
inbreed000 - Andrea is the best player as the Raptors team stands right now. And if BC will not bring another star player, the offense will run thru Andrea, we shall see a jump on his PPG. Defensively, Andrea may be confused as far as team defense goes, but at one-to-one defense Andrea was the best even last year. He may look lazy sometimes, but Andrea is capable of getting a block/rebound/steal in the crunch time. I believe that if Andrea gets the right coach who is able to motivate him, Andrea could be a perennial all-star.
put him with a legit center, and make him your third best player and he wont seem as bad
Remember the nj series?Bargs was good, showed me he can play under pressure.Maybe, maybe, when he puts together everything he's been learning the last few years he can return to that intensity, where it ll comes second nature. I don't think you can argue he can score the ball with consistency.
"team him with a centre and he'll be great" funny but none of the Bargs Boys was saying that for Bosh....... cause he was teamed with, guess who?
Oh I forgot, Bosh was 'stealing' his rebounds trying to pad his stats. lol. Pathetic excuses.
Bargnani has talent but it is limited to shooting the ball. he is a 7ft'er that is lazy, unmotivated, doesn't want to rebound, has a limited post game and doesn't get to the line but he's going to be great cause he's developing!
I can't wait to see how he 'develops' understanding team defence and rotations. It's an embarrasment that he has been in the league this long and still struggles with these things. In a way I'm glad there is no Chandler to mask his deficincies cause I want #7 to step into the role his supporters keep on claiming he's perfect for.
He's been coddled and babied by Colangelo since day 1and when Mitchell did the right thing by limiting his playing time he got fired cause poor old Bargnani wasn't allowed to play through his mistakes. No player has more excuses, or has received this type of a free ride on this squad.
Play hard, try to be the best player you can and develop your game, and earn the accolades before your fanactical supporters claim you're the next coming of Dirk Nowitzki and you haven't shown it, let alone proven it.
He has not shown that type of desire or heart to be given this much leeway and I love to hear the 'star' projections for a guy that has yet to accomplish a damn thing in this league.
Maybe this year though? lol
this post is awesome, glad to see the real raps fans representing.
bargs is our best player by far, and is our lock for all star this year.
nubuck had some great points on why bargs is our true star, but forgot some essentials:
has like three time as many cars as nuline
takes the ttc just for fun
best defensive power forward in the eastern conference
leading shot blocker on the team, with or without cb
best basketball camp in italy
best friends with tim w
killer inside out game and expanding arsenal of offensive weapons
best twitter and website
true lover of toronto and the raptors
bona fide leader
can't stand cb ball washers
nubrain is right man, without stealing his thunder, bargs is our true star, and will lead this team of young gunners to the playoffs this year and beyond
ps we will face miami first round and make all the cb balldreadwashers cry
all u raptor haters go post on the miami site with all the other fairweather fans, we dont need u on our squad to win
So just by reading around the web its obvious that people are torn between whether Bargnani is really Dirk Nowitzki 2.0. Or if he is just some inconsistent offensive player who only gets minutes because of his draft status. Its always hard to predict how a player will do in the future but Bargnani's game is so unique that he will not be a double double machine because he shoots perimeter more than post ups (Unless someone brings up some stats to prove me wrong). But this has so many advantages to us, his defense IMO has made huge improvements since he was a rookie and there is no reason (barring injuries) that it shouldn't continue to improve.
Im not sure if anyone else noticed this but his English improved this year as well. This translated into Bargnani showing more emotion to his team and even at one point pulling a CB4 primal scream when he dunked in NY on David Lee. I never expected that from him which just shows he is getting more comfortable and is not so shy as he usually is on court. This could also mean that his communication (which often goes unnoticed by fans) on the defensive end has improved although not where it should be but again English has a lot to do with it. For myself knowing another language as my first, in times of stress and physical exertion i find myself thinking in my native tongue rather then in English. I cant say thats how Bargnani is but it is a known factor for Euros coming here to play with Americans. My point is give him another 2 years to show what he has to offer as a #1-2 option on a team with limited expectations. I think people just need to give him a solid chance this year and not be pissed because realistically this team isnt winning a championship this year so whats the harm in letting Bargnani be hyped up?
Barg's is a 7ft stretch 4 playing center as Bosh found out for a couple of years. BC never had a real center play next to Bosh san JO, but now he wants to try and acquire one in order for Barg's to move to PF?lol Barg's should be traded away along w/ Calderon and build around the YG'z w/ quality vets.
Barg's is BC's last stand as Raptor GM.....
Lol nubreed, I understand where you're coming from. It's one thing to be a fan of someone and therefore wanting that person to do well, it's another to have completely unrealistic expectations, claiming those expectations to be inevitable or obvious, and then base the reasoning for those expectations on absurd justifications that are even more irrational than the initial expectations to begin with (ie. Barg's boards and points will naturally go up because he was hindered by CB-hog).
Like Apollo said, next season Bargs will likely be the first option, but that just illustrates how pathetic the Raptors are. That's not to say I don't want Bargs to do well, get better, become an allstar, or even develop (somehow miraculously) into a franchise player. In fact, I desperately wish Bargs was great, that way Toronto wouldn't suck. All I ask is for your justifications to be realistic enough so I don't feel like I'm reading blind faith.
It's not only Bargs though, I often find myself scratching my head when people associated DeRozan with MVP or Alibi with Kareem. Not that I think it can't happen, just that it's unrealistic. Maybe I'm just a pessimist.
That being said, if I was Bargs I would wish all my fans were like multipaul and if I was Amir, all my fans be buddahfan.
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