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    Bargs PER 16.59..that's like his career high? Say HELLO to bargs, Knicks 3-10.

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    Having a great game tonight against the Clippers.

    I'm happy for the guy.
    You can see him on the floor, he's calling guys out, yelling plays; he's comfortable.
    I don't think he ever truly was in Toronto, whether it was because of pressure or what. Who knows.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Having a great game tonight against the Clippers.

    I'm happy for the guy.
    You can see him on the floor, he's calling guys out, yelling plays; he's comfortable.
    I don't think he ever truly was in Toronto, whether it was because of pressure or what. Who knows.
    18/10/3 blks is all we could have hoped for every 2 or 3 games dammit...
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    Andrea Bargnani 20 PT 8-18 FG 4-4 FT 0-2 3P 10/4 RB 1 AS 4 BL 0 ST 0 TO 3 PF 38 MN (Final, Clippers)

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    Guess Toronto was the problem, surprise surprise.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Guess Toronto was the problem, surprise surprise.
    Yo Craig, its one thing to defend bargnani, but this line right here is what we know you have always insinuated and does not stand.

    Other factors and considerations to Bargnanis play:

    - Is not the focal point with Carmelo on his team
    - He was always a decent player on offense, but he has always been a negative influence on the court for his team, still is.
    - 14 game 'decent' streaks are expected
    - His rebounding numbers have to do with him being like the only big on the floor at times and so naturally getting the defensive rebounds. Also the knicks miss ALOT of shots, more rebounds are available.
    - He has had better entire seasons as a Raptor (stats wise) than this start of the season.

    To argue that there is some distinct internal property distinguishing the Raptors organization and the Knicks organization that allows Bargnani to 'blossom' you would have to isolate all the other factors that could lead a Bargnani to have decent stats to start the season. Seeing as how he is not better efficiency-wise or just in general, I dont know why you feel you can shoot down Toronto because he is playing decent ball (instead of horrid ball like I guess you expect)

    EDIT: 'Hot streak' became 'Decent streak' (46%, 35.7%, 79%, 5.4 rebs, 15 ppg in past 14 games)

    Seasons where he has played better as a Raptor compared to now as a Knick: 08/09 and 09/10.
    Last edited by enlightenment; Thu Nov 28th, 2013 at 11:42 AM.
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    Hmm.....

    nah, as a franchise Toronto has sucked, from start till now.... As a franchise, NYK, well they are the Knicks.


    Bargnani was under performing last year, he isn't that bad. I think it was sad that the media and fans here used him as an excuse for what all all knew was a bigger issue. Its a joke really.

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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    18/10/3 blks is all we could have hoped for every 2 or 3 games dammit...
    Seriously. Buut they're losing a lot, so there's that.


    Mack, your avatar makes me smile.

    EDIT Did that sound like I was hitting on you, or is it just me? Hahah
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    Quote RapthoseLeafs wrote: View Post
    Hibbert, who AB guarded for most of the game (had foul issues + fouled out in OT), was held to 8 pts 8 Rbs. That included a long & wild (and very rare for him) 3 pt bank shot at the end of the 1st quarter. Suffice to say AB kept him in check.

    Been watching both Jose & Andrea in some games. Both are leading their teams in efg% for the "Shooters" on the team (>5 shots per game), so it appears a change was good for both. Dallas with JC have been clicking well (8-4), while New York has not - although they're missing their best defensive guy and have a PG with bad wheels. Plus Carmelo Anthony has had a rough start. JR Smith (Rob Ford's mentor) is not getting high enough (.385 efg%). And Amare is just ........



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    The issue with Jose and Andrea in Toronto is the same as it was for a lot of players:

    fans, media, coaches, but most importantly, management thought they were better than they were and/or had them carrying too much of a load relative to their skill/ability as players.

    You're asking 2nd fiddles to play lead.
    3rd bananas to play up.
    bench player sto start
    3rd string/D-League to be your backups.

    These guys will likely all succeed elsewhere (and many have including Jack, Belinelli, Bayless, etc.) because they are asked to play within their skillset and ability because guys with better ability/skills are asked/expected to rightfully do more.
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    couldnt have said it better myself sir

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The issue with Jose and Andrea in Toronto is the same as it was for a lot of players:

    fans, media, coaches, but most importantly, management thought they were better than they were and/or had them carrying too much of a load relative to their skill/ability as players.

    You're asking 2nd fiddles to play lead.
    3rd bananas to play up.
    bench player sto start
    3rd string/D-League to be your backups.

    These guys will likely all succeed elsewhere (and many have including Jack, Belinelli, Bayless, etc.) because they are asked to play within their skillset and ability because guys with better ability/skills are asked/expected to rightfully do more.
    While we had our disagreement over the Bargnani end to his era, these latest thoughts remind me of why I always enjoyed your perspective.

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    lol Bargnani sets a great screen for Tony Parker

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    Andrea Bargnani  17 PT  5-13 FG  7-8 FT  0-3 3P  7/1 RB  0 AS  6 BL  2 ST  2 TO  4 PF  36 MN   (12/1, Pelicans)
    Bargs is buying for an Allstar this year. From what I've heard from Knicks fans it's not Bargs fault they are losing and he is at times the best player on the floor.

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    Thought I would post this video I just saw about the Knicks, Bargnani and how Bargnani has affected their team.

    IDK Why you're blaming it on Bargs. Both of them suck on D and when they are on together Bargs is more efficient .

    The real issue here is that BOTH Melo and Bargs are terrible defenders and are being put out together. If Melo was a better defender they'd be winning, just as much as if Bargs was a better defender. I understand Bargs didn't play the best in TO when Bosh left but the blind hate towards Bargs is just flat out annoying.

    This statement would be more accurate:

    "Thought I would post this video I just saw about the Knicks, Bargnani and Mel and how Bargnani and Melo's terrible D has affected their team. "
    Last edited by RaptorsFan4Life; Thu Dec 5th, 2013 at 01:49 AM.

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    I can't believe I'm watching this Nets-Knicks game. People are calling it the Toilet Bowl and rightfully so.. it's been ugly so far.

    Bargs has looked good, first time I've really watched him as a Knick. 9pts after 1Q.
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    anyone watching the knicks and nets game see bargnani and garnett going at again? Bargs has been KGs bitch in the past but Bargs showing some life in NY. Its great to see Bargnani having a good game on national tv. Gotta say I'm rooting for him..

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    Yeah i'm rooting for him too. Great game tonight, got ejected late in the game though for trash talking to KG lol. But yeah looking at the Knicks sked they could easily put on a 4-5 game winning streak.

    Anyway, i dont understand why Bargs got ejected. Trash talking is PART OF THE GAME. KG is the king of trash talk and he never gets ejected.
    Last edited by TRex; Thu Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:48 PM.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Anyway, i dont understand why Bargs got ejected.
    because Joey Crawford.

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    Refs were like "hey! only crazy black guys can trash talk! take a seat Luigi!"

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