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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    theres a very thin line that borders Genius & insanity.. im not sure which side this falls under but it could work out very well if the right pieces fall into place..& if not we dump him on some dummy like Kahn! LOL

    if we do get Boozer i hope someones at the airport to carry his bags, we dont want him tripping over them again! LOL
    Pinning your hope on being able to flip Boozer is a big risk. Chicago has had a hard time flipping him and would be interested in doing it for Bargnani of all people.. Khan is a dummy but I don't see him taking on Boozer's contract.

    It would be easier to flip Gasol (who is injured) because he has an expiring contract next year.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If the Raptors get a draft pick out of it I am good with it. Bulls likely picking 20 range or if they (edit: they being Raptors and pick is top 12 protected this year, 10 next, 8 '15, and unprotected '16) get Charlotte's pick... that would be even better.

    As for this year, Raps should be trying to win as many games as possible. Boozer, despite age/contract/injury history he is still much better than Bargnani. Their injury histories are pretty much on par as well. Deal definitely makes Raps a playoff team next year in my opinion and gives Toronto a low post scoring threat who is also a decent passer.

    This also lines Toronto up with a tonne of money coming off the books in 2015 right before extensions are due for JV and Ross.

    For Chicago, Bargnani's contract is coming off the books when Mirotic would likely be coming to the NBA who would also be a stretch 4. Looks like Chicago is trying to lay a foundation for the very distant future.
    If you throw in Charlotte's pick then yes that would be interesting, but I doubt Chicago would do that - especially if the net return is Bargnani who has seriously underperformed and is an advanced stat nightmare.

    I don't really think Boozer adds too many wins and playoffs next year would still not be a guarantee.

    I don't know.. I am still dreaming about Millsap, and if that doesn't work out then Gasol (because of his expiring contract next season).

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Pinning your hope on being able to flip Boozer is a big risk. Chicago has had a hard time flipping him and would be interested in doing it for Bargnani of all people.. Khan is a dummy but I don't see him taking on Boozer's contract.

    It would be easier to flip Gasol (who is injured) because he has an expiring contract next year.
    i wouldnt be pinning my hopes on moving Boozer either.. id be hoping he can score in post, rebound, play some team D.. im not sold on this deal as ive stated before.. i like boozer but i couldnt care less if we traded Primo for anyone else who can contribute to this team, if this is the best deal avail. then go for it.. just make sure to extract as much value as possible

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    I'm not entirely sold on Boozer being a good deal for Bargnani (far from it, actually), but I had a thought about killing two birds with one stone, to take advantage of the CBA's total salary matching rules.


    2 trades in 1: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdourgz

    Part 1: Toronto & Chicago
    TO CHICAGO - Bargnani, Kleiza, Lucas
    TO TORONTO - Boozer, Teague, 1st round pick

    Part 2: Toronto & Minnesota
    TO MINNESOTA - Anderson, 2014 2nd round pick (could possibly add another 2nd round pick)
    TO TORONTO - Ridnour


    CHICAGO
    - they apparently initiated talks, so they want Bargnani for Boozer
    - Lucas is a 'win now' improvement over Teague, and could be cut after the season to save money
    - even with Kleiza, the deal is roughly even money this year and next, but they save about $5M in 2014-15

    MINNESOTA
    - they get help at the SG position and a 2nd round pick (could be Toronto's or Sacramento's, since Toronto owns both in 2014)
    - if Anderson walks after the season, they save $4.3M next season

    TORONTO
    - improve 3 positions: starting PF, backup PG and 3rd string PG
    - dump Kleiza's salary without needing to pay him (as they would via amnesty)
    - dump Anderson, clearing up the logjam at the wing
    - lose a 2nd round pick in 2014 (they'd still have one), but gain a 1st round pick


    I'm still unsure about trading Bargnani for Boozer, but I could certainly live with a deal like this, which provides additional benefits for the Raptors (Ridnour, Teague and a 1st round pick).
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Thu Feb 7th, 2013 at 11:39 PM.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I'm not entirely sold on Boozer being a good deal for Bargnani (far from it, actually), but I had a thought about killing two birds with one stone, to take advantage of the CBA's total salary matching rules.


    2 trades in 1: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdourgz

    Part 1: Toronto & Chicago
    TO CHICAGO - Bargnani, Kleiza, Lucas
    TO TORONTO - Boozer, Teague, 1st round pick

    Part 2: Toronto & Minnesota
    TO MINNESOTA - Anderson, 2014 2nd round pick (could possibly add another 2nd round pick)
    TO TORONTO - Ridnour


    CHICAGO
    - they apparently initiated talks, so they want Bargnani for Boozer
    - Lucas is a 'win now' improvement over Teague, and could be cut after the season to save money
    - even with Kleiza, the deal is roughly even money this year and next, but they save about $5M in 2014-15

    MINNESOTA
    - they get help at the SG position and a 2nd round pick (could be Toronto's or Sacramento's, since Toronto owns both in 2014)
    - if Anderson walks after the season, they save $4.3M next season

    TORONTO
    - improve 3 positions: starting PF, backup PG and 3rd string PG
    - dump Kleiza's salary without needing to pay him (as they would via amnesty)
    - dump Anderson, clearing up the logjam at the wing
    - lose a 2nd round pick in 2014 (they'd still have one), but gain a 1st round pick


    I'm still unsure about trading Bargnani for Boozer, but I could certainly live with a deal like this, which provides additional benefits for the Raptors (Ridnour, Teague and a 1st round pick).
    While I like this scenario I dont see how Klieza would fit into anything and why Chicago would take that deal Maybe of course suddenly how Chicago approached us, Klieza is hurt has been all season. he wont be helping the team at all he will just be sitting getting paid like he is doing here.

    I do love the idea of having Lowry/Ridnour/Teague as a PG line though.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    maybe some how we could get the Swirsk included in the deal.. Boozer/Hinrich/Swirsk for BArgs/Fields/Devlin... make it happen BC!!
    yesss. +Linas Kleiza's entire salary

    there was a point in time where I looked forward to raptors games only because of swirsk.
    and even when they blew lead after lead, possession after possession, he was what kept me watching. chi town aint deserve him
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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    While I like this scenario I dont see how Klieza would fit into anything and why Chicago would take that deal Maybe of course suddenly how Chicago approached us, Klieza is hurt has been all season. he wont be helping the team at all he will just be sitting getting paid like he is doing here.

    I do love the idea of having Lowry/Ridnour/Teague as a PG line though.
    My thought about Kleiza is that BC can just insist that Chicago takes him, if they want to complete the Bargnani/Boozer deal. They could simply waive him (or hope he doesn't pickup his player option). It's even money salary-wise for the rest of this year and next season, then Chicago would save about $5M in 2014-15.

    The only way the trade could work like that is if Kleiza is included (going to either Chicago or Minnesota), otherwise Toronto would be taking back too much salary.

    I also thought that Minnesota would be more likely to bite on an Anderson & 2nd round pick for Ridnour deal, if they didn't have to take on any additonal salary, which they would if it was a straight-up 2-team trade.

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    Ridnour is one of the only assets Wolves have on the table, but they kinda suck offensively especially with no Love (lol) It could be probable they take that deal.

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    Boozer is an instant 15-10. Raptors are 28th in the league in rebounding, Boozer will definitely help the raps in this department.

    Financial-wise, I may be wrong, but it seems BC is lining up his contracts to get off the books in 2014 which would probably be the 2nd biggest free agent splash since the James/Bosh/Wade FA class.

    Im guessing BC is hoping that by that time his young guns have already found their niche in the NBA and are solid core pieces towards a contending team, and with the cap space, he will be able to sign big name free agents, in the hopes as well that gay, boozer, amir and lowry will sign for less.

    Does this make sense?
    Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Thu Feb 7th, 2013 at 11:56 PM.

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    Quote BasketballCrush wrote: View Post
    Kid in my experience with life, those that judge others for not being classy are usually the least classy of all.


    You obviously are having a "leave Britteny alone moment" I still can't believe you are going on about this. Nothing you will say will keep sports fans from booing or cheering. You can twist your panties in a knot every time it happens but in the end it is your coping skills and maturity that are the issue.

    How old are you 12? Getting all disturbed because fans at an arena are booing...
    Okay, so you're not a kid yourself, it would seem. You're a jack.... I came nowhere near "all disturbed". A topic was posted here inviting discussion on the booing of AB when he stepped on the floor. I gave my opinion that it was a childish (in a bad parenting kind of way), classless way of acting like civilized human beings, period. You think people who buy a ticket have a right to act with the civility of Romans at the Colliseum. I get it. We're at different ends of the spectrum.

    BUT, you're funny trying to lay this "disturbed" "judgement" thing on me. Take a look at our exchange, and if you wish to compare notes about where judgements are being pulled out of the air, and out of your ass, I'd be glad to have an objective, adult, less judgemental (not "non", we're both human, lad). You've been babbling more than I, about judging me in ways unrelated to the topic, and of which you have not a fn clue about reality, while continually skirting my rebuttal points, and re-directing the conversation to your simplistic declarations. "Disturbed". FN hilarious. Pompous psycho babble is your internet thing, eh. LOL.

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    come that 2014 free agency its imparitve we resign Gay and Lowry lock them up.
    Last edited by Rapstor4Life; Fri Feb 8th, 2013 at 12:29 AM.

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    Boozer has the type of talent the Raptors need, and moving Bargs would finally....FINALLY give us a traditional PF on on both D and O, but and I can't beleive I'm saying this I think I would actually hold onto Bargs in this situation. Boozer is past his prime and all I keep thinking about is how he left Clevland high and dry when he left for Utah and how he forced his way out of Utah when he wanted out of there. Seems like a guy that if he isn't happy he's going to let everyone know about it.

    I realize going after David West or Milsap/Jefferson won't solve the Bargs issue, but I'm not sure Boozer is the answer.

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    Please take a look at our exchange, I am giving valid reasons why fans may be booing Andrea, and you are giving your judgments as to who is classy and who is not.


    I get it, you are the best, the classiest, the most knowledgeable, perhaps you should write a manifesto on how fans should behave at sporting venues. Maybe it will catch on, or maybe no one will care and things will be like they have always been.


    My stance, is that you can't judge another raptor fan for his/her motives. That is the basic premise of giving another human being respect to decide their own actions. When someone boos next to me, it is their action, I do not feel emberessed or compelled to do as they do. I don't judge them, because maybe they have a take on the situation that I do not understand, I need to give them the benefit of the doubt. To me that is classy. Allowing another person to be themselves. Let them cry, smile, dance, ahhh, sigh, and boo their displeasure if need be.

    You on the other hand are making divisive judgments about other fans class because you do not understand/or agree with their opinion actions. Perhaps this is to demonstrate how much better you are than everyone else, I have no idea, but in my experience games are entertainment, booing happens and will continue to happen.

    I get it you are the best, the rightest. We should all be like you.

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    Y'all be trippin'

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    Boozer is cash money from mid range. With that Rainbow Jumpshot of his

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    Dude is stalking me and being a pain in the ass with his righteousness...

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    if you think bargnani is an overpaid heartless bum wait till you see Booz cost to his 15 million pulling more shameful shit at both ends than a late raptors era Vince Carter.
    LET'S GO RAP-TORS!!!!!

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    Quote minks77 wrote: View Post
    if you think bargnani is an overpaid heartless bum wait till you see Booz cost to his 15 million pulling more shameful shit at both ends than a late raptors era Vince Carter.
    proof?

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    he's almost 32...no thanks. Lts try and build on a core that can contend in 3-5 years
    That's exactly what I'm thinking. How does this help us in 3 years when:

    Lowry 29
    Gay 29
    Valanciunas 23
    Ross 24
    Derozan 26
    Amir 27

    Don't know if that is completely accurate but close. That is a damn good core when everyone is that age if the rookies hit their potential and we add a piece or 2. I'd much rather see Bargs go for something with an eye on the future. Truth be told I'd rather see DeRozan go, as he has more value, giving Ross more time to blossom. Bargs could be a great stretch 4 off the bench, on a really good team.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    proof?
    Ever watch him play against more than just the Raptors? Have you paid any attention to his career? I've watched a lot of his games since Cleveland, at least those he was healthy enough to play in. If you don't think he milked his way out of situations he wasn't fond of (Utah for instance) you'll be surprised when you get to see it on the every day. I hate Bargs and booz is better but c'mon now, cap killer better? When we have a need for a back up PG, need minutes for Amir and Vala? Boozer is fools gold.
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