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Tim W. wrote: View PostIf Bargnani is usually defending the worst frontcourt player, then his defensive stats will artificially look better because of it, so it will APPEAR that his defense is better than it really is. What matters more is how much more or less his opponent produces per their normal output. And although I can't seem to find it right now, I recall reading that he is very poor in that respect.
As for whether or not he's as bad as his reputation, he's pretty damn bad. You just have to watch him to see that. Whether you murder 10 people or 50 people, you're still a mass murderer.
But I just wanted to point out that, you're saying 'without being able to verify whether or not his stats are accurate, you can't make full judgement'; but then you fall back on your argument of 'he mainly defended weak players', and I have to say this stat or 'argument' is more or less completely unfounded. Do you have anything to back this up as 'fact'?
Last I checked, a starter in the NBA is a pretty talented player. Whether he's starting at the 4 or 5. Bargs still had to defend very solid players through out the course of the year.
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Sometimes guarding a guy like Gadzuric or Collisen(one of the brothers) Lopez(the weak one) isn't exaclty guarding a huge scoring threat. Yes there are good players but what I have also seen Bargnani guards the less scary player- for example we play against Denver - he "guards" Martin,not Nene. When we play against the Sixers he guards Speights not Brand. When we play against Orlando he guards Anderson/Bass whoever but not Dwight. This list continues to alsmot 20 more teams.
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footarez wrote: View PostSometimes guarding a guy like Gadzuric or Collisen(one of the brothers) Lopez(the weak one) isn't exaclty guarding a huge scoring threat. Yes there are good players but what I have also seen Bargnani guards the less scary player- for example we play against Denver - he "guards" Martin,not Nene. When we play against the Sixers he guards Speights not Brand. When we play against Orlando he guards Anderson/Bass whoever but not Dwight. This list continues to alsmot 20 more teams.
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I might have to do some digging on that because I remember he to guard the better players only for a few possesions a game. Althought I agree with the article that he stops most guards from penetrating. I also agree with you that he is just a lazy pasta. Which actually makes it more irritating because if he didn't have the talent or the physical ability to be better defender we wouldn't be wining about it all the time. The sad truth is that he is capable of being not only good but a very good defender only ig he sets his braindamaged head to do so.
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planetmars wrote: View PostI actually appreciate articles like this because it makes Bargnani's stock look much better than it might actually be
Perhaps we can some how convince other bloggers to write more articles on how great Bargnani is, and how he will one day become a future MVP of the league.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostNeither Davis nor Amir are below average defenders, and in fact are above average team defenders, so singling out the only weak link on the front line isn't unfair. The fact is that Bargnani had been paired with above average team defenders all season long and it never "covered" his defense.
don't get me wrong.. i agree with you on bargs... he is shite on the defensive end
but pretending team defense wouldn't still be abysmal if he was removed from the equation is just delusional
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heinz57 wrote: View Postyou dont become one of the worst defensive teams in the league because of one player
don't get me wrong.. i agree with you on bargs... he is shite on the defensive end
but pretending team defense wouldn't still be abysmal if he was removed from the equation is just delusional
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joey_hesketh wrote: View PostI'm not really trying to join in on this, because I do believe Bargnani is a very weak defender (its his heart, not his talent, that is lacking.).
But I just wanted to point out that, you're saying 'without being able to verify whether or not his stats are accurate, you can't make full judgement'; but then you fall back on your argument of 'he mainly defended weak players', and I have to say this stat or 'argument' is more or less completely unfounded. Do you have anything to back this up as 'fact'?
Last I checked, a starter in the NBA is a pretty talented player. Whether he's starting at the 4 or 5. Bargs still had to defend very solid players through out the course of the year.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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heinz57 wrote: View Postyou dont become one of the worst defensive teams in the league because of one player
don't get me wrong.. i agree with you on bargs... he is shite on the defensive end
but pretending team defense wouldn't still be abysmal if he was removed from the equation is just delusionalRead my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
Follow me on Twitter.
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I'm very happy with trail of discussion going on here. Good work everyone!"They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
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Brandon wrote: View PostThey'd be great if he was removed and replaced with Dwight Howard, which illustrates just how important the center position is defensively. It should also prove how disastrous it is for a team to have a clueless player in that spot.
Im not a Bargs lover either, but i'm not all about blaming him for being the worst defensive team in the NBA.Eh follow my TWITTER!
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For the arguments that Dre guards the other teams weaker big this is only relevant this past year. Remember prior to this year he always guarded the other teams best player to let Bosh rest and stay out of foul trouble. I'm assuming this past year with him being our best offensive player the same thought process was used for the game plan.
Dre's defense is definitely something he needs to put more effort in no question. Like many have stated the physical tools are there it's just the lack of effort and concentration. Hopefully Casey can light a fire under him and help maintain that focus. As he's showed in the past at times he can actually be a good defender/shot blocker. Problem is it hasn't been on display for the majority of the time. Fingers crossed he pulls it together this season (if there is one).
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Brandon wrote: View PostThey'd be great if he was removed and replaced with Dwight Howard, which illustrates just how important the center position is defensively. It should also prove how disastrous it is for a team to have a clueless player in that spot.
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