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  • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Really, it's not outlandish for Milwaukee. THey'll never attract a big free agent. Bargs would be a big upgrade as an experienced scoring big. He would not take any minutes from Henson and Sanders, who are emerging as the future of their frontcourt.
    That is the thing though. I think Ilyasova is better than Bargnani..... shhhh! Don't tell Milwaukee though.

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    • CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
      I wonder about a 3-way trade with Milwaukee & Utah, for Millsap? Would the Jazz have any interest in Ilyasova, assuming Milwaukee likes Bargnani?
      Too bad we never hear major Millsap rumours...
      A wise man once said: F*ck Brooklyn!

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      • GoldenBaller wrote: View Post
        Too bad we never hear major Millsap rumours...
        Utah keep their inquiries closer to their chest than a newborn on his mommy's teet.

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        • http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a3j5ako

          Raps: Ilyasova
          Bucks: Bargnani, Chandler
          Nuggets: Mbah a Moute

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          • I don't like this deal because I don't think it makes us much better. Basically, your trading one stretch four who's big enough for the position for another stretch four who shoots better but is likely to get pushed around. We don't have room at the 3 for him and I don't see him as an upgrade at the four. Basically it seems like a lateral deal. I'm actually for keeping Bargs until the summer to see how he meshes with this squad then going from there.
            "Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."

            -Churchill

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            • MikeToronto wrote: View Post
              Why do you guys consider Ilyasova a small forward? With his ability to rebound and shoot, I can easily see him playing 4 on a regular basis, especially in today's NBA of smaller, more mobile front court players. Yes, he doesn't have a well-developed back-to-the-basket game, but what of it?
              Ilyasova is 6'10 235 lbs, amir johnson is 6'9 210 lbs. I think there is no doubt he can guard pfs in this league, he is known as a pesky defender and a good rebounder so he would fit in caseys system really well. But he is more of a high priced role player who shoots the three well and rebounds, where as andrea can be potentially more than a role player.

              To conclude i would be down to do this, i think this helps the team.
              "Defense wins championships."

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              • planetmars wrote: View Post
                I never realized how close Ilyasova is to Millsap in stats (including advanced stats). Really surprised me actually.

                I'm actually all for Ersan now. Would have said no before you pointed this out. He is excellent production for his contract. Millsap would be at least worth $11M and that's not even a given considering he's a free agent.
                Am i missing something? Im not understanding the obsession with getting millsap. He is a free agent next year, why give up something for him when we can sign him in the offseason for free? In fact we would be taking needless risk as he could walk at the end of the year and we gave up a significant asset for nothing...
                "Defense wins championships."

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                • Eh, I'd still rather have Millsap. #MillsapOrNothing
                  Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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                  • The one thing that worries me about the wait and see approach with Bargs, is that he was getting booed in his first home game back....and really, why? That's a terrible sign. You can't keep running out a player who might be a target for booing on your homecourt for 30 games. That isn't good for anybody, and it can't help his value (even if I don't know if it would hurt it). From a roster evaluation standpoint I'm all for it, but I'm not sure BC will have that luxury.

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                    • SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
                      Am i missing something? Im not understanding the obsession with getting millsap. He is a free agent next year, why give up something for him when we can sign him in the offseason for free? In fact we would be taking needless risk as he could walk at the end of the year and we gave up a significant asset for nothing...
                      Bargnani has a hefty contract for his current role on the team, he'd be put to much better use on another team instead IMO.
                      A wise man once said: F*ck Brooklyn!

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                      • SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
                        Ilyasova is 6'10 235 lbs, amir johnson is 6'9 210 lbs.
                        That was Amir's rookie weight, it's just never been updated on NBA.com

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                        • GoldenBaller wrote: View Post
                          Bargnani has a hefty contract for his current role on the team, he'd be put to much better use on another team instead IMO.
                          Ya but why trade for an expiring contract like millsap? If the objective is a salary dump it makes sense, but it sounds like people actually want to keep millsap, im just saying trading for him knowing he can walk is a risky way to use our most valuable trading chip.
                          "Defense wins championships."

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                          • AJ360 wrote: View Post
                            That was Amir's rookie weight, it's just never been updated on NBA.com
                            Ya he is probably about 235 lbs now. My point is that we never question whether amir has the size to guard pfs, nor should we question ilyasova who is actually bigger.
                            "Defense wins championships."

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                            • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                              That is the thing though. I think Ilyasova is better than Bargnani..... shhhh! Don't tell Milwaukee though.
                              He's better than him if he doesn't have to do too much with it. He's not quite as quick to the basket, and he's not big enough to play in the post as well as Bargs. They can't run plays for Ilyasova where he has the ball in his hands, and as it is now, they have that small backcourt issue. Bargs would make Ellis more expendable, and to get a scoring "downgrade" there as well more acceptable...maybe try to turn it into a 3-team deal with Indy. I don't think they really want to keep Granger. I think they could really use Ellis like a supersub, and it saves Indy a small amount of money. They can keep the lineup that's been working, and keep George at SF. This deal, for example, works....And Milwauke would have a slightly more conventional lineup, because they're clearly not going to be contenders as constructed. We could also throw in AA to the Bucks if they want extra SG insurance with Ellis gone.

                              http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bl3zt72
                              Last edited by white men can't jump; Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:13 PM.

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                              • hateslosing wrote: View Post
                                I don't like this deal because I don't think it makes us much better. Basically, your trading one stretch four who's big enough for the position for another stretch four who shoots better but is likely to get pushed around. We don't have room at the 3 for him and I don't see him as an upgrade at the four. Basically it seems like a lateral deal. I'm actually for keeping Bargs until the summer to see how he meshes with this squad then going from there.
                                Who cares if Ilyasova is getting pushed around when he is getting an extra 3 rebs per game and giving up less points while being much more efficient?

                                Also, lets look at offensive ratings this year and career:

                                Player/OffRtg '12-13/Career

                                Bargnani/96/103
                                Ilyasova/113/110


                                And defensive ratings this year and career:

                                Bargnani/109/111
                                Ilyasova/103/103


                                And WS/48:

                                Bargnani: -0.151
                                Ilyasova: +0.20

                                And WP:

                                Bargnani: -2.3
                                Ilyasova: +5.0


                                And all this talk of Bargnani being a stretch 4:

                                Bargnani 3pt % last two seasons: .306 and .296 with 1.3 and 1.1 made on 4.3 and 3.7 attempts
                                Ilyasova 3pt % last two seasons:.442 and .455 with 1.1 and 0.9 made on 1.9 and 2.6 attempts


                                And contract status:

                                Bargnani: $11M and $12M next 2 years.
                                Ilyasova: $7.9M, $7.9M, and $7.9M with $8.4 option ($400k guaranteed) over next 4 seasons


                                And finally age:

                                Bargnani 28 to start next season
                                Ilyasova 26 to start next season



                                I don't see a single area that I would prefer Bargnani over Ilyasova. From production to age to contract, give me some Ilyasova.

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