Besides, it doesn't really matter what he admits to the press. I think far too much is written about what coaches, GMs and players say. It's why, for the most part, I don't pay attention to that. What matter is what they do, and Colangelo has consistently tried to rectify his mistakes.
Clearly players who don't play enough minutes to qualify for a stat don't play enough minutes for a reason. Im sure if coaches valued rebounds as much as all you people around here seem to value them, then all these so called underqualfied centres with there unique and amazing rebounding abilities would get more floor time. Fortunatly, coaches realize rebounding is just one aspect of the game. With the exception of a few players such a Reggie Evans and Kevin Love most high rebound players are the result of players being at the right place to collect a rebound off a missed shot, which doesn't require much skill if u ask me. Now if there was a stat which seperated earned rebounds from unearned rebounds then I would think that rebounding stat would be more useful, furthermore if there was a stat for forced rebound which gives a player who is positioned inside the paint credit for forcing a missed shot, because in all likelyhood a player who forces a miss from this position is at a huge disadvante of actually getting the rebound himself, however one of his teams get rewarded for the freebies on the misses. You people are too caught up in mainstream stats, thankfully coaches see things from a different persepective.
Yes, there are usually very good reasons why players don't play enough minutes. And, quite frankly, there are very good reasons why Bargnani should not be playing as many minutes as he does. The biggest reason he does get 35 mpg, however, instead of 25, is that he plays on a team with very little talent, and a coach who doesn't hold him accountable for bad defense and rebounding by sitting him more. Stick Bargnani on a better team, and his minutes would go down. Stick Bargnani on a good team, and his minutes go way down.
Yes, most fans get way too caught up in general stats, but the problem is that advanced stats make Bargnani look even worse. His scoring actually doesn't make him as good an offensive player as many think, and his defense may actually be worse that most people think. His rebounding, as well, is actually probably worse than most people realize.
You don't think Bargs is a bad rebounder huh? Then I have a challenge for you: next time you watch a Raptors game, just keep your eyes on him the entire game. Ignore everything going on except what he's doing and then come back here and tell me he's not a bad rebounder.
Raps fans always talk about tanking for a better draft pick, but the draft is a total crap-shoot. And as this season is indicative of, Raps fans are way tool reactionary to handle a rebuilding process without flying off the handle over a string of bad games.
I think teams would really like Amir, and I don't see us getting much with trading Bargnani alone. So, maybe including a guy like Amir, expiring of Reggie and Miami's pick. But I still don't see what we could get back for Bargnani. I think Bargnani is far more valuable than anything we could get. Plus, the best case scenario would be that in a couple years (or even next year, Kanter) we get a good center, which can start allowing Bargnani to be a spark off the bench. Having a guy like Bargnani off the bench, could be incredible and cause huge match up problems. Just that now we have no one that can start in his place.
I don't think the rebounding is the main issue. We have rebounders on the team, we are in the middle of the pack in the rankings for rebounding. The issue is his defense, if he defended, he wouldn't be a liability, even with his rebounding. Look at Evans, who grabbed 12 rebounds a game, but was still a liability, because he didn't play decent defense. If Bargnani played defense, I wouldn't care if he grabbed 3 rebounds a game, but he doesn't.
And his one on one defense is pretty bad, I don't know how many times players have just gone by him. And opposing centers keep on lighting up on him. His post D is decent, but post D alone can't make him a decent defender. DeRozan and Bargnani are clearly the worst defenders on the team, but DeRozan has had moments where he has defended with grit, Bargnani not so much.
Anyways, comparing Andrea with Love is pretty unfair. It's like comparing DeRozan to Carter. Love is a really good player who puts in a lot of effort, more than most players. Rebounds incredibly, also shoots very well.
Also, although there are quite a few times where he missed important rebounds, him rebounding isn't really needed. We have guys like Johnson, Davis, Dorsey, Kleiza and when healthy Evans to rebound. His defense is what is killing us.
Where is Minie in the standings...
Speaking of numbers...Bosh had some pretty good numbers !!!and how did that work for us?
Regie is one heck of a rebounder,but has no offensive game.
I agree with the sentiment that Bargs must give up some minutes,give them to Davis,or french fries...or Alibi
I think BC'S plan of tanking is working !!!!
Kyrie baby....as much as I like the speedy guard from Duke,we will have to take the best player available...I would love Sullinger ,lacking in size,but one tough SOB.
Problem,outside of a few in the top 5 ,I cant see anybody coming and having an immediate impact on out team.
I know,I dont want any more PROJECTS.
Can we scoop Perkins from the Celtics,now there is one mean mother....after this season they might to visit a youth campaign....hoping lol.
Ping Pong Balls,boys and girls.
PS> He loves to guard his area by the way and handles switches very poorly. After 5 years, you shouldn't be this lost on defence. He is slow physically and mentally. Lastly, Bargs' next contract will not be in the NBA. Mark my words.
Last edited by Balls of Steel; Mon Jan 31st, 2011 at 09:14 AM.
“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King
I see Sacramento as a team with a high first round pick that might be interested in Bargnani. The draft still is an imperfect science so they might be willing to give up their first round pick for Bargs and a late first round pick (plus whatever filler it takes to make the deal work). Playing him at PF with Cousins at C may accelerate Sac's rebuilding plans significantly. The upside for us is that we may have two top 5 picks. Try to get Irving if he's there, obviously, but if he's not grab your wing of choice and Kanter to play C
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