Lamarcus Aldridge.. Different story
"That was Nasty right? Cocked that Joint back and banged on 'em." -James Johnson
lol@ bargs being able to put up a ton of points.
JR Smith can put up a ton of points; maybe Arenas still...but not Bargs. Give me a friggin break
In hindsight, if its only between Bargnani and Roy, i still wouldve drafted Bargnani. I dont think having Roy and Bosh wouldve made the Raptors a contender, and with Roy's knees and Bosh's departure, the Raps would have been left with nothing (considering they made the playoffs for those three years they had Bosh and Roy).
No disrespect but as a 4-time NBA champion, All-Star, 4-time NBA ALL DEFENSIVE Second Team and ACC Player of the Year, i think he knows pretty much what he's talking about. He may have gone crazy at the tailend of his career, but that doesnt overshadow his achievements.
Does it apply to Bargnani? Yes and No. Yes, coz ive always stood by the idea that he can be trained to become a good defender, coupled with extreme effort from him. may or may not become a good defender but there is a possibility. No, because he doesnt need to be a defensive stopper. I would like either JJ or Ed to be the defensive stoppers but all im wishing for with Bargnani is to be at least a good defender.
I think with a healthy Roy, the Raptors might have been a contender. Maybe. Obviously with Roy on board, some of the moves Colangelo would have made would have been different. It's a massive `what if'.
But i think credit needs to be given where credit is due. Grant knows what he's talking about. A good baker knows the right ingredients to make a good cake. A good chemist knows the right chemical combinations to make blue meth (sorry just finished an episode of breaking bad) So Grant being a winner and a bonafide defender, knows what it takes to make a good defensive stopper.
I'll give myself as an example. For as long as I remember, when I've played I've always felt it almost a personal affront when I get scored on. I've killed myself running the floor trying to get back on defense when there's probably no chance I'll catch up to the person. Then there are the people who will get stripped of the ball and watch the player run in for a layup. I couldn't do that. And it has nothing to do with coaching or training. It's my personality. I never give up and would rather keep my opponent from scoring and only score 5 than score 30 and watch him score 25. Lots of guys I have played with are simply not like that.
I agree with this one. But look at it this way as well. If youre instinctively a good defender, like you guard somebody and youre always able to keep your man infront of you, but you hate defense and prefer to shoot the ball most of the time. does that make you a bad defender? just because you choose not to put effort on defense? just because you dont have the mindset and only skill, does that make you a bad defender? coz ive seen guys like this. ive played with guys like this. And in the same token, say a scrawny guy who is fast but really isnt too attentive on defense, but a coach pulls him aside and tells him, i want you to guard #3 (a guy who gets 30pts a night easy) stick to him like glue and do not make him shoot over you. every game they play this #3 he doesnt score more than 10. so are you going to label this guy a good defender because he's able to keep #3 to 10 points a game? when, prior to being given instructions, this guy couldnt guard squat?
since we're sharing experiences, i thought id add mine. i was never a good defender, at least thats what i thought of myself when i started playing basketball. i was the other guy you were referring to. i used to watch other guys blow by me. but i had a good shot and i can make plays. i played four years of junior varsity. and was never cut from the team. my coaches never told me i improved on defense, but i think the solid training and coaching for 4 years improved my defense, otherwise, i wouldve been cut by year 2.
the thing is, if defending in the NBA is more personality than skill, we'd all be making millions now. everyone has the drive, but only the ones who are physically able are recruited. Why? Coz training and coaching is available. I think we all know not all basketball players started out instinctively knowing basketball. A lot were "trained and coached" to be good if not the best ballplayers in the world, defense included.
Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Tue Oct 4th, 2011 at 03:29 PM.
Well since we're talkin bout basketball in our own lives... I used to suck last year at basketball, I could never hit a contested shot I'd always get stuffed. After an entire summer of jump shots and layups I finally became the lights out shooter I wanted to be. And my quick release if virtually unblockable. Just goes to show that a little practice can go a long way.
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