New statements and concepts from those directly involved with the organizations being responded with old arguments. The bar certainly has been lowered. The idea of 8 rebounds a game (plus a few others that bounce to him) certainly exceeds that bar in my opinion. That is certainly better than a C who just signed a 5 year, $64M contract who averaged 7.6 per game.2) the entire article was about Andrea. People (Yertu) responded to it regarding Andrea. How was Yertu responding to the things in the article that he didn't agree with 'hating'? How could Yertu have responded to the article without you considering it 'hating'? Would he just not have had to not respond or respond positively or by 'hoping' everything is will turn out? People clearly don't expect Andrea to amount to much of a rebounder... and Yertu's statement about people having 'lowered the bar 'in regards to Andrea's expectations is something I specifically remember you mentioning aswell.
I agree on Doug Smith. However, I do not think he would risk his journalist integrity to make up conversations. As for the comments, now you're just hating on poor ol' Dougie.3) I'd have alot more faith in the article if it came from ANYONE other than Doug Smith. While I think D.Smith is intelligent, knowledgeable and has resources above and beyond most of the media, he tows the company line like no other. Has BC ever done anything, of significance, that he has been critical of? BC could trade for Hedo again and Doug Smith would talk about how it should work out well for the team or atleast how BC has a bigger 'plan' and everyone should just be patient.
I laugh at how anytime there is something positive mentioned a handful of the usual suspects step up to try and discredit it. It is possible for a man to change, to turn over a new leaf. I have respect for hard workers, those dedicated to their craft. If Bargnani truely is dedicated now then I'll be 100% in support of him staying and I will cheer for him. The real question is, if hard work doesn't satisfy the Bargnani debunkers will anything? I think not. I think he could go out there this year and post a double double, play solid defense and that wouldn't be enough. No, it would have been a fluke or it would be because of Casey's coaching or it would be because Amir and Ed had improved so much they were making Bargnani look better than what he really is.
Define "results" in regards to your statement Tim. I'd like to know for future reference.
I'm not going to give someone a pass simply because they work hard. Otherwise Araujo would still be a Raptor.
We'll see. But count me as someone who has had enough of the moving goalposts on Bargs. Wake me up when he doesn't get winded in the first 3 minutes of a game and I'll start paying attention.
Your reply is again vague enough so that if we come back to this later you can warp it into whatever you want. What if he plays average defense and improves to 7 rebounds a game, is that good enough for you? Please elaborate on what it is you're looking for. The reason I'm picking out you is because you're the most anti-Bargnani poster in here. I'd like to understand in exact terms what it is the guy needs to do to make you happy.
ofcourse we've never heard this stuff before:No, we haven't. Not like this. This is different from the past. The past involved all talk about what he needs to do, coming from both the coach and GM. The past involved talk from Bargnani about what he needs to do. This is talking about what he is doing right now. About the positive changes he's making happen. The coaches, inside sources and the players are raving about him. This is different. Now we need to sit back and wait to see if it sticks and translates to a much better two way player.
from his rookie year:
After Bargnani and his teammates banged bodies for nearly two hours, Mitchell pulled the rookie aside. This was the type of aggressiveness he wanted to see, he told him. The next night in Utah, Bargnani was unrecognizable, nearly quad rupling his then-season average with 15 points.
"From then on, he's played like a man," says star teammate Chris Bosh.
LAST JUNE'S critics didn't expect such compliments to be lobbed Bargnani's way when the Raptors made him the first Euro ever taken at the top of the draft. At least not this soon. In spite of Dirk's dominance and the capable contributions of imports like Mehmet Okur and Boris Diaw, many incoming Euros suffer the indignity of being compared to high-lottery busts Darko Milicic and Nikoloz Tskitishvili. Twice-bitten scouts won't soon forget that, blinded by overseas hype, they once overlooked Bosh, Carmelo, D-Wade and Amaré for those two. So when Bargnani's name was the first one David Stern called, a common sentiment was, Who'd the Raptors leave on the table by banking on the next Euro-bust?
The skeptics have been shamed. With a stroke as pure as bottled water, Bargnani is already one of the league's top sixth men and Brandon Roy's chief competition for Rookie of the Year honorsFive of his 10 rebounds that night were offensive, and all five came after Bosh went off on him. Challenge him after he fails to grab a single rebound in a game, as Mitchell did Feb. 14, and get seven boards the next time out. Throw an elbow his way, as several opponents have, and you'd better duck. Unlike most Euro bigs, Bargnani yearns one day to set up in the post. He works on his inside game daily with assistant coaches and can't wait until he can regularly use his size advantage to exploit folks down low.http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3634182Everyone has a theory about where Bargnani gets his toughness and unusual swagger.
And I've ALWAYS stated that Bargnani defense is his biggest problem. Always.
It's not as if I criticize the guy because I don't like him. I have literally no personal feelings about him one way or the other. In fact, from what Ive seen and read, he sounds like he's probably a nice guy. I had the same reaction to Villanueva. He was apparently a really nice guy with great offensive skills but his defense was atrocious. And his rebounding was better than Bargnani's. I had VERY similar arguments about him when he was a Raptor, but fortunately he lasted only a year in a Raptor uniform.
Because nothing is good enough when it comes to Bargnani. The prime example of this is all the great words coming out of camp suggesting he's been the best player in camp and all you can muster is the same old same old hit campaign you've been throwing at him since... Always. I'm with you when it's justified but I don't get why you feel compelled to toss the guy under the bus because you heard he's working hard(from everybody) and that you heard he's the best guy in camp(from multiple sources). I think you'll cop out because this whole story of him doing well and you're first reaction to it perfectly illustrates that you can't see good in anything when it comes to Bargnani. That's my opinion, a guy who has been critical of Bargnani in the past, year in, year out when he's disappointed.
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