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  • Mack North wrote: View Post
    Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis would like to say something about being overpaid.
    rashard lewis never deserved the amount of money he got. but, when gil was given that contract he was one of the best players in the league.

    Bargnani was given all this money on potential, after not showing much for 3 years, he was given that much money, is ridiculous.

    btw, most overpayed player not in league is big country. haha
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    • LBF wrote: View Post
      rashard lewis never deserved the amount of money he got. but, when gil was given that contract he was one of the best players in the league.

      Rashard put up 23pts, 7rbs, 46 FG% and 40 3p% before signing with Orlando.
      Not bad if you ask me.


      Now one could argue that NO ONE deserves the money that Rashard signed for, but he certainly did earn himself a very hefty Pay Raise after being VERY consistent in Improving his numbers Year-over-Year.

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      • yertu damkule wrote: View Post
        pretty sure that's not how this amnesty clause works, in that a player is never going to earn more than what he's owed on the contract from which he's being amnestied. if a player (say, billups) is amnestied, the team that amnesties him is on the hook for all the remaining $, UNLESS he's signed by another team (either via the auction process, or afterwards as a FA if no auction bids are placed). when an amnestied player is signed by another team, whatever that team bids is taken off of what the amnestying team owes him. in billups' case, his salary for this year (just over $2M) comes off what he was owed by the knicks; knicks pay him the difference. so, he gets all of what he's owed, but not more.

        in bargs' case, you'd have to assume that if he were amnestied, there would be a number of teams interested in bidding on him, and the bids would likely actually be quite high (probably in the $5-8M/yr range)...leaving TO on the hook for just the difference...which is the ONLY reason anyone should ever suggest that bargs was even being considered a candidate (IMO, he never was).
        I think if an amnestied player goes unclaimed in the waiver type amnesty process, he becomes a FA and the original team still pays the full contracted salary, and the player get's any new salary as a bonus. It doesn't really matter in ABs case, because many teams would have put in a claim on him.

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        • joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
          Rashard put up 23pts, 7rbs, 46 FG% and 40 3p% before signing with Orlando.
          Not bad if you ask me.


          Now one could argue that NO ONE deserves the money that Rashard signed for, but he certainly did earn himself a very hefty Pay Raise after being VERY consistent in Improving his numbers Year-over-Year.
          your right. it's just that I don't like rashard lewis.
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          • charlz wrote: View Post
            Dont attribute Bargs sudden improvement of play to him being moved over to PF.

            ... and yes it is so much better than before. The guy actually cares and hustles out there something we all knew he could do, but would not.

            Thank the Amnest clause - I know people dont believe it but Bargs was on a short list of players in Toronto to be dumped, in a different year and a different phase of rebuilding he may have been.
            Andrea Bargnani (42 mill over 4 years)
            11-12 $9,000,000
            12-13 $10,000,000
            13-14 $11,000,000
            14-15 $12,000,000

            Bargs must have read the numerous articles over the summer which ripped him and the ROI of his salary.



            If I were BC I would hang on to amnesty until next summer to keep him honest, and I would still try and move him for a true center or PG - Ed Davis is a true PF and will flourish if given minutes with 1/8th the salary... I like Bargs play of late but I remain sceptical .... lets see how it pans out.

            Others have already stated that being amnestied still pays the player his full contract and the signing team would reduce the Raptors obligations by whatever they paid Bargnani. There was mention that it is a benefit to the club...what benefit would the Raptors hope to get from amnesty with Bargs without anything in return? Bargs is an easily tradeable asset so why would anyone amnsety him for nothing and possibly lose money? Guys like Arenas were amnestied because he stinks and his contract is huge and the Magic hope someone picks him up and eases their financial burden while opening cap space to make Howard happier. Billups was amestied strictly to clear cap space. Raptors are not in a position to have to or want to do that let alone with an asset like Bargnani.

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            • Getting your cash and not playing? Id welcome it. Course Im a very lazy person, wish I could of been McGrady and Marbury when they got exiled from their team getting over 20 million. Unreal. Anyways no team would give him a bigger contract, thats just stupid. It would be a plus for him if it happened. He already has a lot of pressure and scruting from the fans. If he went to another team he'd be where he should be, a very solid sixth man.

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              • Killingjoke wrote: View Post
                Getting your cash and not playing? Id welcome it. Course Im a very lazy person, wish I could of been McGrady and Marbury when they got exiled from their team getting over 20 million. Unreal. Anyways no team would give him a bigger contract, thats just stupid. It would be a plus for him if it happened. He already has a lot of pressure and scruting from the fans. If he went to another team he'd be where he should be, a very solid sixth man.
                That is a fair statement in past seasons. This year, however, he is a top 20 (maybe a little higher) player in the league.

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                • I used to love rashard Lewis. He's a wet 3 pt shooter

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                  • p00ka wrote: View Post
                    I think if an amnestied player goes unclaimed in the waiver type amnesty process, he becomes a FA and the original team still pays the full contracted salary, and the player get's any new salary as a bonus. It doesn't really matter in ABs case, because many teams would have put in a claim on him.
                    yeah, that may be, but i thought i read something larry coon wrote that the process remained the same with respect to who pays what for an amnestied player...that passing through the auction process unclaimed didn't change the fact that the team amnestying the player does get some degree of financial relief. the only difference, as far as i know, is that once an amnestied player passes through the auction unclaimed, he becomes a 'true' FA & can choose who he signs with. if the length of the deal differs from the contract in which he was amnestied from, i believe the portion that the amnestying team is responsible for is pro-rated.

                    holy shit.
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                    • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                      Most western countries have a tax agreement in place that if one citizen earns money in the other country then the other does not tax as much at home..... or something like that.

                      To be honest I don't know but I feel very confident in saying that there is no way in hell Bargnani does not pay any Italian taxes.

                      Given the ongoing European debt crisis and austerity measures being enacted through the region, I believe Bargnani is putting his ducks in a row to ensure he is not crippled by future taxes on the rich in Italy. Just my opinion and I very well could be wrong.
                      i'm sure that is how it works, but players only 'earn' money during the season, when they're residing in the US (or in bargs' case, canada). i'm sure he is paying some tax in italy, but i'd question how much is based on his NBA salary...more likely simply taxes as a resident. i mean, if (as a CDN citizen) i work & live in FLA for 7 months a year, and come home for 5, what (income) taxes am i paying in Canada? all the income i've earned has been in the states. if i own property here, then i'm paying property taxes, and of course, contributing sales tax on items purchased, etc...honestly, i really don't know.

                      but i do see why he'd want to be sure he's protecting himself. that continent's in some twubba...
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                      • yertu damkule wrote: View Post
                        yeah, that may be, but i thought i read something larry coon wrote that the process remained the same with respect to who pays what for an amnestied player...that passing through the auction process unclaimed didn't change the fact that the team amnestying the player does get some degree of financial relief. the only difference, as far as i know, is that once an amnestied player passes through the auction unclaimed, he becomes a 'true' FA & can choose who he signs with. if the length of the deal differs from the contract in which he was amnestied from, i believe the portion that the amnestying team is responsible for is pro-rated.

                        holy shit.
                        There is no financial relief in terms of what the team owes the player, i.e. the players gets paid every dime he is owed.

                        The financial relief comes from the salary cap, i.e. the salary is removed from the salary cap and could possibly reduce any amount of luxury tax a team might owe or reduce the luxury tax completely.

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                        • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                          That is a fair statement in past seasons. This year, however, he is a top 20 (maybe a little higher) player in the league.
                          hoo...i don't see it. sorry. much improved? absolutely! better defender? getting there! better offensively? you bet! still a shitty rebounder? of course! top-20? not quite.

                          but it's not like he's all that far from there; i simply have a hard time evaluating players on, let's be frank, shit teams, especially when comparing them to other players who may not be putting up numbers, but who contribute more to their team's actual success. he's the primo offensive option on a team lacking significant offensive production from anywhere else...until the raps improve, it's going to be difficult to assess him properly. put it this way...of the top 15 teams in the league, on how many would he be the #1 option on offense? #2? #3? a starter?
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                          • [QUOTE=charlz;108552]Dont attribute Bargs sudden improvement of play to him being moved over to PF.

                            ... and yes it is so much better than before. The guy actually cares and hustles out there something we all knew he could do, but would not.

                            Thank the Amnest clause - I know people dont believe it but Bargs was on a short list of players in Toronto to be dumped, in a different year and a different phase of rebuilding he may have been.
                            Andrea Bargnani (42 mill over 4 years)
                            11-12 $9,000,000
                            12-13 $10,000,000
                            13-14 $11,000,000
                            14-15 $12,000,000

                            Bargs must have read the numerous articles over the summer which ripped him and the ROI of his salary.

                            Are you serious? Did you really just make this kind of assumption without any facts to back it up? Ya, he MUST have read that he was going to be amnestied and decided to improve because of it. Come on.

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                            • there's no way that he is scared of the amnesty. it would mean getting paid that full salary as well as being able to sign with another team. it's not affecting his performance

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                              • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                                There is no financial relief in terms of what the team owes the player, i.e. the players gets paid every dime he is owed.

                                The financial relief comes from the salary cap, i.e. the salary is removed from the salary cap and could possibly reduce any amount of luxury tax a team might owe or reduce the luxury tax completely.
                                by 'financial relief,' i simply meant that the amnestying team isn't on the hook for ALL of the $$, as in, the knicks get some measure of 'relief' from the clips - they're paying billups ~$2M less than they would have if he'd not signed/been signed by another team. in contrast, unless/until arenas signs with another team, orlando is on the hook for all of his salary.
                                Last edited by yertu damkule; Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:32 PM.
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