Does this make sense for either team?
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In this deal I would HOPE to get back our first rounder from OKC and perhaps give them an "option" to swap first rounder once in next say 3 years (top 5 to top 10 protected).
WRT above suggestions Sacramento (ONLY if Thompson & Jimmer were included) makes sense;
Washington (Bargnani for Okafor);
Bargnani for Wallace -No way;
Bargnani for Amare -No way;
Sacramento is not too crazy about Evans, so Evans S/T, Jimmer for Bargnani & Ross? Why would Sacramento do this? You are asking logic from a team that gave up (and gave away) 5th overall pick after what 30 games?
There was some talk about Minnesota: Williams & 1 of guards (their choice) for Bargnani? They dont want Bargnani. Include LA & Gasol.
Biedrins & first for Bargnani?
In the end I would hate to amnesty him or trade him for a always shitty contract (either Gordon, 1 lousy, 1 injured, Wallace). Have him come off the bench; If his plays improves (he must have some bloody pride) -then you might get something later.
Last edited by Mapko; Sat May 11th, 2013 at 01:57 AM.
Ive went over this thread and i gotta say....there is only 1 option. the amnesty is going to be used on kleiza which means that bargs is not going to get amnestied, and I think this option is pretty dumb to use on him. As far as the trades go....every trade that was posted I am completely against. I dont want hayes or jimmer, or gerald wallace (omg- look at his contract) novak and camby would do nothing in Toronto. I am not defending bargs, I thought we should of traded after he had that great year when bosh left. But right now I would keep him on the squad. He knows and the system, he knows the players, and I am confident he is going to work in the off season to prevent another nightmare season. He had by far the worst season of his career last year and I am willing to give him a chance next year. His stock could get higher by the trade deadline, and worst case scenario we keep him until his contract is expiring or try to trade him at the deadline. both bargs and landry expire on the same year so we could package them together. I think everybody is making a deal just to get him out of town and nobody cares what we get back. I understand the team played better without him on the floor but he still needs to be viewed has an asset, and you just dont give assests away in this league.
3 Way Trade with the Bobcats and T'Wolves, Bobcats get: Andrea, Raptors get: Derrick Williams and Luke T'Wolves get: AA and Ben Gordon, Why the bobcats do the trade: They really need scoring from their bigs and they want to trade Ben Gordon badly, Why the Wolves do the trade: They get 2 spacing and scoring from their wings which they need desperately and lineup that consists of rubio, Ben Gordon, AK47, K-Love and Pek is better than what they had last season, why thee raptors do the trade: The get rid of Bargs and they get that backup pass first pg we need we get a prospect big that can hopefully give us production like Eddy D did. It's a win-win-win for all teams involved
The trick would be to use him in circumstances where he would help more than he would hurt. Playing against second tier PF's, and supported by useful help defenders might be the circumstances I am talking about. Just throwing it out there. My preference is to see him traded, but not to trade him just for the sake of trading. If any trade hurts more than it helps, then keep him, and put him in a role where he might be of some use.
We have seen numerous players leave the Raps and become useful contributors because they found themselves in situations where they were not expected to do more than they were capable of. In retrospect, Bargs should probably have been drafted 12th, in which case he might have become a reliable 6th or 7th man, and maybe found his way into a starting role after being forced to work for minutes.
As for players leaving Toronto and being contributors elsewhere. That ofcourse may happen to Bargnani aswell, but I'm not sure why it matters. If he's not performing here he is offering nothing to this team, so not moving him because he may perform elsewhere is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. On top of that, alot of the guys who were moved and have offered value elsewhere, were quality players while here. Reggie, Jarret Jack, Bayless just to name a few... all were effective players here. Doing the same thing on their respective teams that they were doing here. Some Toronto fans thought they were underperforming or underproducing, but really it was the GM and his inability to collect talent and build a team that was the problem.
Now, if he "picks it up", say by trade deadline, you can always make a deal. If not next year he is an expiring deal.
Trading him for, for instance Ty Thomas -guy was NEVER any good. Why?
Eric Gordon -often injured, what is the point (IMO Demar is a better OVERALL player now and will give you 2500-3000 minutes per season);
D Williams (Minnie), Jason Thompson, are at least young players who have a chance of getting better.
WRT Boozer -an interesting scenario. Great season and a so-so playoffs AGAIN (poor D). Would Bulls be desperate & take Bargs AND KLeza to unload Booz? Prob not.
Gasol for Bargs and (Fields or ?)? Is that the best LA can do? They have to make a change.
Does Darren Collison ring a bell? Same scenario. Why aren't there more Manu Ginobilis? Good enough to start for ANY teams, but content doing whatever takes to win a game.
AS for Reggie: He was a decent compliment to Bargs in To (one rebounds & no scoring, other -scores & couldn't/wouldn't rebound). In his last season in To, while Reggie was healthy, this actually worked decent (a lot of other peaces missing).
Another name: Marco Belinelli -not a clue why it did not work in To & in Chicago he is good.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdccz8t (sorry can't read the trade mapko put up). Give up Bargnani for Perkins and Horton plus our draft pick. This works because Perkins is useless to OKC and because Bargnani is a better defender than Perkins. Bargnani has more potential to OKC than any potential draft pick.
2010/11 - 16.1pts 4.0rbs 6.4asts 1.0stls 2.9tovs .479eFG% .545 ts% 14.8PER .065WS/48
2011/12 - 18.0pts 3.4rbs 6.0asts 1.2stls 2.7tovs .504eFG% .561 ts% 17.7PER .139WS/48
2012/13 - 14.1pts 3.6rbs 5.4asts 1.2stls 2.4tovs .476eFG% .514 ts% 13.5PER .108WS/48
2009/10 - 14.9pts 3.6rbs 6.6asts 1.0stls 2.6tovs .542eFG% .599 ts% 16.3PER .102WS/48
2012/13 - 15.7pts 3.7rbs 6.7asts 0.9stls 2.4tovs .499eFG% .542 ts% 15.9PER .115WS/48
from a statistical stand point, this is Marco's worst year since his rookie season.Marco Belinelli -not a clue why it did not work in To & in Chicago he is good
Perhaps this explains the discrepency - its all perception.
They are on playoff teams, and therefore they are seen as 'better' players. When really they just have better teammates that help them win more games rather than teammates that (arguably) help lose games......
I think Bargnani will bounce back and revive his career but not here in Toronto. It'll be nice to wait until he starts playing better(which he's very much capable of) but considering what's happened with him lately, it most probably won't happen here. The longer he's hung on to, the worse it'll get for both Bargnani and the Raps. The most sensible thing to do IMO is despite his falling stock, trade him for the best possible return.
A couple of ideas:
Jonas V and Bargnani for E Kanter and P Millsap(S & T).
Bargnani and 2nd rounder for R Stuckey(back up PG) and V Kravtsov.
Attitude Is A Choice.
Hey guys. i know my first post got me in some hot water, but this needs to happen. Bargs doesn't fit in our new plans, and he needs a fresh start. I'd like to after a back-up guy with some salary and a 1st rounder, but who needs a PF who can attack in the paint, make smart defensive choices, pass the ball and rebound?
Stuckey is awful I want no part of him in Tdot hes not a PG either hes a small 2 that cant shoot. Mentioning JV in trades is blasphemy.
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