1. Stupid, rash, quick fix? I don't think taking on 2 draft picks and $20M in expiring contracts is rash or quick. It is actually all about long term growth and flexibility. Now stupid is another matter.
2. If Bargnani could just get 8 rebs per game.... no, 7 rebs per game.... no wait, 6 rebs per game.... 5? Have you considered what happens if DD decreases his value?
3. Because he is an athletic freak who will not be 19 until December.
What he reminds me of though is Kawhi Leonard:Adetokunbo stands out first and foremost thanks to the tremendous physical profile he brings to the table, reminding somewhat of a Nicolas Batum or Thabo Sefolosha on first glance. He has great size at 6-9, 196 pounds, to go along with a developed upper body and an overall terrific frame that should fill out considerably in time. His wingspan has reportedly been measured at 7-3, but perhaps most interesting is the size of his hands, as he's able to palm the ball like a grapefruit which helps him out considerably as a passer, ball-handler and finisher.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2V5bAL84p
One of the big draws to Leonard was his hands - they are massive.The top ranked wing on our Big Board, Kawhi Leonard's stock is based primarily on his physical attributes, defensive abilities, and upside, so it's not a huge surprise that he doesn't fare very well from a purely statistical standpoint. His profile strongly indicates that he's destined to play a complimentary role in the NBA, at least in his first few seasons.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2V5bZn4tg
Crazy thing is Adetokunbo makes Leonard look like girly hands:The biggest story out of the 2011 edition of the combine might be San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard, who measured just 6'6 in socks, but had a great 7'3 wingspan and truly huge hands (9.8 inches long, 11.3 inches wide). No player at the combine had hands longer than Leonard; only center Greg Smith's hands were wider.
In basketball, hand size is a big indicator of success in rebounding, and plays a role in defense and ball-handling as well.
Leonard's biggest challenge in the workout season will be showing he has the skill level necessary to play small forward at the NBA level. But his measurements should help his reputation as a physical defender, something that he may have trouble getting across in the workout setting.
4. I'm not sure what fetches more for DD. Sadly here is what many people outside of Toronto probably know:
Timmy C nails it.Really, though, when you are talking about Toronto’s wings what you are really talking about is Rudy Gay and DeMar DeRozan. They eat up 71% of the teams minutes on the wings, eat up 38.2% of the team’s shot attempts per game and together eat up half of the team’s salary cap. Both are high-volume (6th and 10th in FGA per game for swingmen), low-efficiency (120th and 93rd in TS% for swingmen) scorers and neither one is particularly adept at creating good shots for themselves or others. It is very hard to imagine this team succeeding in the long run with these two teamed up on the wings which makes it hard to envision Ujiri maintaining this pairing for any notable length of time.
If the two are to be split up, it makes the most sense to these eyes to keep Gay and move DeRozan along. Gay is a superior defender to DeRozan, he has shown in the past an ability to hit threes and his contract is half as long as DeRozan’s is, ending in the summer of 2015. Plus, because DeRozan is younger and makes less money per year, he would presumably be the easier of the two to move.
One of the big reasons to push for a split, though, isn’t about money or efficiency, it’s about shot allocation. Going into next season the team has to find far more shots for Jonas Valanciunas (7.3 FGA per game after the Gay trade) and probably should find more shots for Kyle Lowry (8.4 FGA per game post trade). If you take shot attempts away from DeRozan he won’t give you much in the other areas of the game. Better to explore the market for his services, especially in a summer when so many teams have money to spend on a weak free agent class, than to retain him and simply reduce his role in the structure of the offense. An offense centered around Valanciunas-Gay-Lowry could be potent if balanced right, especially if the team could stick a high-percentage three-point shooter into the starting shooting guard spot. Team them with the ever-improving Amir Johnson and a bench that has actual NBA talent on it and Ujiri may just have the beginnings of an interesting ball club.
"You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"Bruno Caboclo
Fuckin everybody wanting to shop all our good players while we got like, eight guys who do absolutely nothing for this team. But nope, apparently our starting line-up is the problem.
I could honestly see a team like the clippers having an interest in Bargnani..Although having a volume shooter coming off the bench already in crawford probably would derail that...I honestly can't see that many moves being done this summer. I feel we will roll with the same starting 5 and this off-season will be to shed dead weight in kleiza and bargs and acquiring 2nd pg.
On a side note I think Fields would be such a strong compliment to the OKC line-up doing all the little things for them.
DeRozan no doubt gets a lot of opportunties because of who he plays for. He might not be third guy off the bench for Miami...
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They don't post volume but neither would DeRozan if he were playing on team like that. That's the point.
And even if he's second off the bench, the point is still made.
2. Yeah. I know. But that's every investment ever made. I have to look at trends. DD is young, hasn't broken down, is a gym rat, and appears to have good people around him. I think that's a fair gamble to take. More so than gambling on someone called "an enigma."
3. Hmmm... Yeah his ceiling is silly high. The difference is that Kawhi studied under one of the best NCAA coaches in the game at SDSU (Coach Fisher), and owned his conference for two years. He was NBA ready, just needed some polish. This kid won't get that level of coaching until his little brother and him get to their ACB team. That's a 2nd round gamble most years, not a guaranteed contract.
4. Ok, so Gay, and DD don't fit. I don't agree, but that's definitely a logical conclusion. I don't see how that impacts Demar's value separate to Bargnani. I'm saying if you feel you must trade Demar you'll get more for him alone than you will get for him with Andrea.
To that end, sell low with Andrea, get what you can because adding "sweetener" to any trades involving him will only dampen the value of the players added. Personally, I want young, hungry, hardworking and cheap end of bench guys for Bargs. But you need a strong scouting staff to identify those kind of players.
The same people always talking about trading Derozan are the same people defending Fields......LOL
So we get better by keeping useless players and getting rid of our better players????? Did you guys go to the Bryan Collangelo school of team building??? Obviously i dont agree with your talent evaluation abilities!
I would've NEVER offered Fields a contract.....some of you still seem to be high on the guy.....wow
Woohoo! Seriously, I like LF but not at his contract. Nothing wrong with offering him a contract, but they overpaid for the dumbest reason ever (if basketball is about wins). Seriously, it's the Knicks. When was the last time they kept a younger player? Could have gotten him for a lot less. Thanks to his undisclosed injuries (What's up with the Knick medical staff? Pretty sure this a trend.) he has a hell of a lot less chance of being worth the contract he received than Demar.
And that's the closest I can get to defending LF...hot wife, like the PSP ads in a weird way...That's about it.
Special1, were you here long enough to remember when the majority was on the pro-Bargnani's side? This isn't the same. DD is all sidekick and no star, but people will change their minds and appreciate his game. You'll have to trust me.
I agree with blackjitsu ..... My hit list would be Bargnani, Kleiza and Fields, in that order. I'd take DeRozan at 9.5 m 10 times out of 10 -- over Fields' 6 m. Fields is a nice, versatile bench player who I would be happy with at around 3 m per season. But the fact is, he can't shoot AT ALL & is not a lock down defender either to justify a starting position. He would be a worse fit than Demar in the first unit since no one will touch him. Yeah he cuts well, but we don't have great passers anyway so I'd rather have Demar who can post up about 67% of his match ups. However, if there is a deal that can land us some assets or set us up for a position to acquire assets -- where we would have to give up Demar -- I'm all for it.
I honestly think Ross should be trained and developed into our starter because he has range, quickness & explosion -- which DeMar sort of lacks. In a perfect world, I would have DeMar coming off the bench a la James Harden in OKC. But Fields ...... I mean, look how much Thabo and Tony Allen make .... & they're elite defenders. He's a horrible acquisition, no other way to describe it.
1) trade exception gets us upto $15 million in salary back in player(s), while remaining under luxury tax (++talent)
2) then amnesty kleiza, free up 4.6 million upto tax level, or a total of 8.6 million to use to sign free agents (4.6+4 million tax apron)
considering what uriji did with denver, and the spending room mlse grants him. i think he has a chance to do some good things for toronto.
2) even after #1, 2) keeps the Raptors just at the salary cap meaning they can only use the MLE to sign free agents and the apron has no impact on anything because it is about $14M away.
"You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"Bruno Caboclo
The bulls talk is well documented, and i believe i remember hearing about philly, but bobcats? Anyone remember anything about that?Considering that he is owed about $23 million over the final two seasons of his contract, has a dramatic propensity for long-term injuries (98 missed games over past three seasons) and diminishing statistical returns the past few seasons, moving Bargs would likely be priority No. 1 for any GM. The question is whether Ujiri can pull it off without simply trading Bargnani's contract just to clear it off their books.
The Charlotte Bobcats, Philadelphia 76ers and Chicago Bulls all reportedly talked to the Raps at the trade deadline about Bargnani, and there are a number of teams with the requisite cap space and potential roster holes (Phoenix Suns, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento Kings) to make a deal with the Raps if they think he can turn things around in a new locale, so perhaps Ujiri will have some luck moving the big man.
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