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  • Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    I made this post not to hate on anyone but to state a fact that it is 100% harder to get a block than it is to get a rebound and one of our player got 4 more Blocks than one of our tallest player who plays more minutes did last night.
    look at the tone of your first post.. it comes off very haterish... and is fuel for more haterishness

    not trying to hate on the haters... there's arguments for and against bargs i totally agree with... but these threads popping up are about as annoying as the fake porn webcam ad with sound that keeps popping up behind my browser because i accidentally clicked on the wrong banner while looking for porn a couple weeks ago.

    it adds nothing new... ya, bargs is a pretty awful rebounder.... but we all knew that ages ago... the constant love/hate argument for bargs is like waterboarding

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    • GarbageTime wrote: View Post
      Please please please stop this Bargnani boxes out for others crap. He doesn't box out with any regularity. (him boxing out once or twice a game does not count as doing it regularily) he didn't last night. Watch the frickin game... open your eyes. Thank Amir, Ed, Jose and JJ for doing the little things.
      I did watch the game. All game as a shot went up I noticed he actually looked for someone to make contact with on the defensive end. That is not something he normally does so in my mind it is worth mentioning -hopefully it is something that continues.

      Could you clarifiy where I made reference to him boxing out once or twice a game counting as a regular occurrence?

      You are absolutely correct the other guys deserve credit for the little things that they normally do not do (for exmaple, Ed Davis hit a foul line jumper). Very few players have complete games. Bargnani will never be a great rebounder - which is a big part of the game of basketball, unfortunately. I've even given up on average. But if solid rebounders can be placed around him and he can atleast ensure his man does not get the ball I, for one, will be very happy.

      I would suggest you also watch the games - but try to do it with an open mind minus the preconceived notions.

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      • By the way, alot of those points that Jose got were of Bargs assists, especially the crucial 3 ball late in the 4th when Bargs got the touch, drew the double, then found Jose across the court for the 3 ball. Smart play.

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        • Matt52 wrote: View Post
          I would suggest you also watch the games - but try to do it with an open mind minus the preconceived notions.
          indeed I have and I do... its just that others can't see past what you want to see, to that which really did happened (or in this case didn't happen).

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          • Multipaul wrote: View Post
            By the way, alot of those points that Jose got were of Bargs assists, especially the crucial 3 ball late in the 4th when Bargs got the touch, drew the double, then found Jose across the court for the 3 ball. Smart play.
            again you need to understand numbers. Bargnani got 2 assists in the game.. jose made 7 shots.....

            understand them before you use them. You aren't even trying anymore.

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            • Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
              I made this post not to hate on anyone but to state a fact that it is 100% harder to get a block than it is to get a rebound and one of our player got 4 more Blocks than one of our tallest player who plays more minutes did last night. This post was based on the last game. Yes we won and I am very happy about that. I have been a fan from day one a my name has a meaning like I'm sure your MultiPaul means something!

              Anyways, glad I was able to give you a reason to post the stats for both Barg and Amir however, there is a different in Size and in minutes so there should be no comparing there! Barg is good but he just can't rebound or chooses not to so I guess it's up to me to accept that about him. lol
              I think it's hard to say "it's easier to get a reb then a block", it depends on the situation. Sometimes blocks are easier, sometimes not. Sometimes you battle for a reb down low, sometimes they fall in ur lap like when Calderon gets them.

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              • GarbageTime wrote: View Post
                again you need to understand numbers. Bargnani got 2 assists in the game.. jose made 7 shots.....

                understand them before you use them. You aren't even trying anymore.
                Thanks Tim..or Peter..

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                • I'm not hating on Bargs, I'm just reasonable enough to admit that someday's he plays great, someday's he plays ok, and someday's he plays crap. Yesterday was okay. He did do the little things, he did help out the team, but he did not CARRY THIS WIN as so many of you seem to believe. He helped out, this was the game where Jose led us to victory. Jose outscored Paul, outrebounded Paul, Outassisted Paul, kept that guy to a horrible game, nearly got a triple double, shot 70% from FG, 75% from 3Pt line, had an 8.0 Assist-to-Turnover Ratio for the night.

                  IF you guys can't accept that, fine, but stop spreading your delusions about what happened otherwise....

                  This is like saying Robert Horry carried Game 3 for the Lakers in the 2001 NBA finals. He made a clutch play, but otherwise it was guys like Shaq who CARRIED the team that night...
                  Last edited by webcrawler89; Wed Mar 2, 2011, 03:36 PM.

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                  • webcrawler89 wrote: View Post
                    I'm not hating on Bargs, I'm just reasonable enough to admit that someday's he plays great, someday's he plays ok, and someday's he plays crap. Yesterday was okay. He did do the little things, he did help out the team, but he did not CARRY THIS WIN as so many of you seem to believe. He helped out, this was the game where Jose led us to victory. Jose outscored Paul, outrebounded Paul, Outassisted Paul, kept that guy to a horrible game, nearly got a triple double, shot 70% from FG, 75% from 3Pt line, had an 8.0 Assist-to-Turnover Ratio for the night.

                    IF you guys can't accept that, fine, but stop spreading your delusions about what happened otherwise....
                    I for one didn't say Bargs carried us to the win. I think Jose was the spark. Everyone else chipped in equally.

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                    • webcrawler89 wrote: View Post
                      I'm not hating on Bargs, I'm just reasonable enough to admit that someday's he plays great, someday's he plays ok, and someday's he plays crap. Yesterday was okay. He did do the little things, he did help out the team, but he did not CARRY THIS WIN as so many of you seem to believe. He helped out, this was the game where Jose led us to victory. Jose outscored Paul, outrebounded Paul, Outassisted Paul, kept that guy to a horrible game, nearly got a triple double, shot 70% from FG, 75% from 3Pt line, had an 8.0 Assist-to-Turnover Ratio for the night.
                      well put.. i saw the game in the same way.. the team was good.. jose was great.. everyone contributed to the win in some way

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                      • webcrawler89 wrote: View Post
                        I'm not hating on Bargs, I'm just reasonable enough to admit that someday's he plays great, someday's he plays ok, and someday's he plays crap. Yesterday was okay. He did do the little things, he did help out the team, but he did not CARRY THIS WIN as so many of you seem to believe. He helped out, this was the game where Jose led us to victory. Jose outscored Paul, outrebounded Paul, Outassisted Paul, kept that guy to a horrible game, nearly got a triple double, shot 70% from FG, 75% from 3Pt line, had an 8.0 Assist-to-Turnover Ratio for the night.

                        IF you guys can't accept that, fine, but stop spreading your delusions about what happened otherwise....

                        This is like saying Robert Horry carried Game 3 for the Lakers in the 2001 NBA finals. He made a clutch play, but otherwise it was guys like Shaq who CARRIED the team that night...
                        Very good post.

                        I'm not a Bargnani lover, nor a hater. He often infuriates me during games and he often leaves me asking the screen, "Did he just do that?"

                        I do not recall saying Bargnani won the game. He did contribute to the win doing something he normally does not do - boxing out. Normally if he isn't scoring, he is useless. Last night he found another way to be effective when he was otherwise playing inconsistent at best and awful at, more realistic, worse.

                        The fact such a statement elicits such angry response is a good indication of why "Everything Bargnani" has nearly 2400 replies and over 92,000 reads.

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                        • Instead of thinking about the so-called Bargs haters, i just think theyre just fascinated with Bargs. People keep saying he's not the franchise player but the way people dissect his game and blame him for blown defensive assignments, poor rebounding, taking too many shots, not trying hard, etc etc, theyre pretty much putting Bargs AS the franchise player. Coz you basically want him to do everything.

                          He's not the franchise player, he's not the saviour of this team, what Kobe is to the Lakers IS NOT what Bargs is to the Raptors. So stop complaining that he doesnt do this, doesnt do that. Like what you guys are all saying, he is a role player on this team much like everybody else, so deal with it.

                          I think people need to stop using such overshadowing statements like "Normally if he isn't scoring, he is useless" or "he is the worst defensive player" or "his lack of defense makes the team lose". The guy averages 6 boards a game. At least a block a game and defense constitutes all 5 players not just 1. Admit it or not, the guy is an asset to this team. Its just that a lot of people here in RR has their expectations on him waaaaaayyyy to high. He does a lot on this team, just not enough according to what you expect of him. But hey, you can kick and scream all you want, but that really aint gonna change anything. So deal with it.
                          Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Wed Mar 2, 2011, 05:19 PM.

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                          • tbihis wrote: View Post
                            Instead of thinking about the so-called Bargs haters, i just think theyre just fascinated with Bargs. People keep saying he's not the franchise player but the way people dissect his game and blame him for blown defensive assignments, poor rebounding, taking too many shots, not trying hard, etc etc, theyre pretty much putting Bargs AS the franchise player. Coz you basically want him to do everything.

                            He's not the franchise player, he's not the saviour of this team, what Kobe is to the Lakers IS NOT what Bargs is to the Raptors. So stop complaining that he doesnt do this, doesnt do that. Like what you guys are all saying, he is a role player on this team much like everybody else, so deal with it.
                            Well said. Imagine if Bargs got traded and Dero was our #1 guy, suddenly all the useless hate would start flowing : how come he doesnt rebound enuff, how come he doesnt get the calls, how come he doesnt drive more ..wait..how come he doesnt shoot more..

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                            • tbihis wrote: View Post
                              Instead of thinking about the so-called Bargs haters, i just think theyre just fascinated with Bargs. People keep saying he's not the franchise player but the way people dissect his game and blame him for blown defensive assignments, poor rebounding, taking too many shots, not trying hard, etc etc, theyre pretty much putting Bargs AS the franchise player. Coz you basically want him to do everything.

                              He's not the franchise player, he's not the saviour of this team, what Kobe is to the Lakers IS NOT what Bargs is to the Raptors. So stop complaining that he doesnt do this, doesnt do that. Like what you guys are all saying, he is a role player on this team much like everybody else, so deal with it.

                              I think people need to stop using such overshadowing statements like "Normally if he isn't scoring, he is useless" or "he is the worst defensive player" or "his lack of defense makes the team lose". The guy averages 6 boards a game. At least a block a game and defense constitutes all 5 players not just 1. Admit it or not, the guy is an asset to this team. Its just that a lot of people here in RR has their expectations on him waaaaaayyyy to high. He does a lot on this team, just not enough according to what you expect of him. But hey, you can kick and scream all you want, but that really aint gonna change anything. So deal with it.
                              I've got to say this attitude infuriates me. You think playing defense, rebounding, trying hard and taking good shots are only for franchise players? I've said it before. I don't expect him to do everything. I expect Bargnani to do the MINIMUM, which are rebounding, defense and playing with effort. I expect that of ANY big man. You want to score, as well? Great. Earn it by doing the minimum.

                              The problem with Bargnani is not that he's not a good defender or rebounder. The problem is that he is a POOR defender and rebounder. He's one of the worst defenders and rebounder among ALL big man.

                              THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

                              Obviously Bargnani's role on the team is to score. But EVERYONE has to play defense and chip in on the boards, according to their position. And EVERYONE has to play with effort. I don't expect Bargnani to be a dominant defender or rebounder. He will never be that. What I EXPECT is that he not be a LIABILITY FOR HALF THE TIME HE'S ON THE FLOOR. I know he's got his fans, but one fact that they all skirt around is the fact that half the time Bargnani is on the court, he actually is a liability to the team.

                              I've heard all kinds of arguments about how important he is on offense, but none of that changes the fact that he is a very poor defender and one of the worst rebounding big men in the entire league. And no, it's not 6 rpg. It's 5.5 rpg. That's 55th in the league, 2nd last among centers in rebounds per minute, and 169th among all big men per minute. The guy is a horrible rebounder.

                              Please stop saying that Bargnani critics expect him to do everything. They don't. They expect him to do the minimum. And he's not doing that.
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                              • Tim W. wrote: View Post
                                I've got to say this attitude infuriates me. You think playing defense, rebounding, trying hard and taking good shots are only for franchise players? I've said it before. I don't expect him to do everything. I expect Bargnani to do the MINIMUM, which are rebounding, defense and playing with effort. I expect that of ANY big man. You want to score, as well? Great. Earn it by doing the minimum.

                                The problem with Bargnani is not that he's not a good defender or rebounder. The problem is that he is a POOR defender and rebounder. He's one of the worst defenders and rebounder among ALL big man.

                                THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

                                Obviously Bargnani's role on the team is to score. But EVERYONE has to play defense and chip in on the boards, according to their position. And EVERYONE has to play with effort. I don't expect Bargnani to be a dominant defender or rebounder. He will never be that. What I EXPECT is that he not be a LIABILITY FOR HALF THE TIME HE'S ON THE FLOOR. I know he's got his fans, but one fact that they all skirt around is the fact that half the time Bargnani is on the court, he actually is a liability to the team.

                                I've heard all kinds of arguments about how important he is on offense, but none of that changes the fact that he is a very poor defender and one of the worst rebounding big men in the entire league. And no, it's not 6 rpg. It's 5.5 rpg. That's 55th in the league, 2nd last among centers in rebounds per minute, and 169th among all big men per minute. The guy is a horrible rebounder.

                                Please stop saying that Bargnani critics expect him to do everything. They don't. They expect him to do the minimum. And he's not doing that.
                                Feel better now?

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