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  • 26+9 against the Jazz, and that's all

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    • Tim W. wrote: View Post
      Bargnani scored and rebounded well against the Jazz. He got killed by Al Jefferson on defense, but Jefferson is one of the best low post scorers in the league and no Raptor should be lauded for his defense tonight, that's for sure. I can't understand how a team can play as good defense as they did at one point, and as bad defense as they did at another. And it's not as if it's the starters or the bench. Both were like that.
      He out-rebounded Jefferson though :P
      The third quarter defense was pretty good by the starters. It was like the first quarter of the Cleveland game. But defense isn't why we lose games, it's the fact that we can't do anything right when it matters. 4th quarter rebounding and scoring and defending and pretty much everything against Sacramento. Then last night we could have taken the game late in the third but DD inexplicably stepped out of bounds with 2 seconds left, and Jazz hit a three right after. That changed the whole momentum of the game. Then, 4th quarter where Bargnani and DD didn't start. So we had no offense apart from Weems scoring random points which were pretty useless.
      The defense has to do with fatigue. We do remarkably (for the Raptors :P) early, then slowly get tired and lose towards the end. Or we play pretty decent defense when our offense is clicking. Especially when we have momentum...

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      • I could live with barg's lack of defense and rebounding if he came off the bench.

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        • Last Night

          Looks like Andrea reads RaptorsRepublic.com. Team leading 9 rebounds last night. The team still lost. I still don't think his rebounding is causing losses. People need to start coming up with other ways to blame it all on him just in case he finds his stride on the glass.
          Last edited by Apollo; Thu Nov 4, 2010, 08:58 AM.

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          • Your about as stupid as midget who glues a dildo on his head and has porn stars ride him. NO one agree's with you and you really have no clue that a basketball is round. Stop making a fool of yourself trife. You can go to a vietnamesse/thai restaurant and order Trife. its a rubbery, tasteless meat that they add to soups and it reminds me of you. Bargni 26 points 9 rebounds and 2 blocks. Remember the team has to be ready to be a playoff team before andrea leads the team to the playoffs. Right now the team isn't mature enough to be a playoff team and your analysis is crap

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            • grindhouse wrote: View Post
              I could live with barg's lack of defense and rebounding if he came off the bench.
              and with derozan as the go-to-guy?
              Let's go Raptors!

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              • Apollo wrote: View Post
                Looks like Andrea reads RaptorsRepublic.com. Team leading 9 rebounds last night. The team still lost. I still don't think his rebounding is causing losses. People need to start coming up with other ways to blame it all on him just in case he finds his stride on the glass.
                At this moment the biggest problems to me are mostly in PG and SG positions. D-Will dished 14 assist, Calderon and Jack both hits 7
                Let's go Raptors!

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                • So where are the freeze frames of 'Drea denying Cousins twice? How come we aren't looking at how he was forcing Cousins into taking a couple bad shots in the post, or using shot fakes to get him into foul trouble? What happened to Cousins' borderline pathetic defense on Bargnani out on the perimeter (so terrible they had to bring in Dalembert and let Cousin's take a breather ie. guard Reggie)? Is it because, ultimately, the Raps lost? (...because Casspi got ridiculously hot)

                  Was he terrible on these two plays? Oh God yes, these breakdowns on the defensive end are what make him so frustrating and actually make me dislike him overall as a player. Does he deserve a one-sided attack that doesn't take into consideration all the good things he did in the game - especially after a decent performance on the defensive end? I don't think so. This would have been so much more poignant after any number of games last year when he actually deserved heavy criticism - after the Monday night though it just seems petty.

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                  • Tim W. wrote: View Post
                    There are things in basketball you accept and things you don't accept. You accept that sometimes shots don't fall. You accept that opposing players will sometimes shoot well, no matter what you do. What you don't accept are things like being outworked. And you don't accept allowing your man to get an offensive rebound in crunch time. Twice. Those are things that players get benched for. One of my few criticisms of Triano is that he's been more lenient of Bargnani than others. As far as I'm concerned, those 28 points are worthless if you make unforgivable transgressions in crunch time that lose the game for your team.

                    And this has nothing to do with who did it. If I'm coaching a team and my best player allows two crunch time offensive rebounds that leads to a loss. I guarantee he's not starting the next game.
                    You make some good points but I don't think it's just effort. I think it's awareness that's missing. Being aware of his surroundings and positioning when the shot is about to go up. Once it's in the air if he's caught out of position he doesn't have the athleticism to compensate for it. I think lack of ability is being sometimes misdiagnosed as lack of effort. And I'm not referring to this play but in general.
                    Last edited by Apollo; Thu Nov 4, 2010, 03:33 PM.

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                    • Multipaul wrote: View Post
                      We lost the lead against the kings due to the poor defence of Kleiza, Calderon, Amir, and Weems. Not Bargs. You and Tim Jizzmouth are wrong.
                      Woah. You really get that worked up defending Bargs? Dude - get a f'in life!

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                      • The only logical option is to trade him and try and find a team is entranced by his offensive skills.
                        Alright, every team in every sport should either be moving up or moving down. BC signed a number of vet players to try to compensate for Bosh's loss. It's clear that Colangelo wants to be moving up. If you trade your team's only offensive threat, you are moving down. Is that what you want?

                        The current numbers suggest, much like Bosh last season, that the only good and positive thing about this ball club right now is Bargnani. His ORTG-DRTG is +10, meaning the Raptors are winning when he's on the floor. Raptors getting significant time right now who have a negative in the aforementioned category: Kleiza, Calderon, Jack, Barbosa. In other words, the players getting the most time on the perimeter are hurting the team by their lack of production. Weems is about even after last night, and DeRozan is +13. Raptors getting significant playing time who have negative win shares: Jack, Calderon, Barbosa.
                        This team needs to finally do something about the disastrous wing players and point guards. Jose Calderon has fallen off a cliff. He's gone from top 10, to average, to now barely good enough to justify being in the league.

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                        • Brandon wrote: View Post
                          Alright, every team in every sport should either be moving up or moving down. BC signed a number of vet players to try to compensate for Bosh's loss. It's clear that Colangelo wants to be moving up. If you trade your team's only offensive threat, you are moving down. Is that what you want?

                          The current numbers suggest, much like Bosh last season, that the only good and positive thing about this ball club right now is Bargnani. His ORTG-DRTG is +10, meaning the Raptors are winning when he's on the floor. Raptors getting significant time right now who have a negative in the aforementioned category: Kleiza, Calderon, Jack, Barbosa. In other words, the players getting the most time on the perimeter are hurting the team by their lack of production. Weems is about even after last night, and DeRozan is +13. Raptors getting significant playing time who have negative win shares: Jack, Calderon, Barbosa.
                          This team needs to finally do something about the disastrous wing players and point guards. Jose Calderon has fallen off a cliff. He's gone from top 10, to average, to now barely good enough to justify being in the league.

                          calderon was never top 10

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                          • Trife76 wrote: View Post
                            calderon was never top 10
                            Maybe just in your estimation he wasn't, but those in the know will tell you that Calderon was considered in that top-10 a few seasons ago.

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                            • MangoKid wrote: View Post
                              Maybe just in your estimation he wasn't, but those in the know will tell you that Calderon was considered in that top-10 a few seasons ago.
                              Stop telling phibbs dude..Nobody in the "know" ever considered Jose top 10
                              Only people that did were raptor fans,spanish fans,spanish people,Calderons family (maybe)
                              and a few Toronto writers who are not in the know....

                              Outside of THIS city nobody talked about him....

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                              • Trife76 wrote: View Post
                                Stop telling phibbs dude..Nobody in the "know" ever considered Jose top 10
                                Only people that did were raptor fans,spanish fans,spanish people,Calderons family (maybe)
                                and a few Toronto writers who are not in the know....

                                Outside of THIS city nobody talked about him....
                                So, considering he was top 5 in assists per game and total assists as well in addition to being top-3 in overall offensive ratings - and he wasn't considered a top-10 point guard?
                                Right........

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