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  • But he wouldn't be leaving $10 million on the table because he could get paid one years worth of his salary (for example) and then pick up another lucrative contract somewhere else for this coming season and going forward. He stands to possibly make more money if he heads to Europe and get a multi year contract.

    If the Raptors don't want to amnesty him and decide to play hardball to try and force him into a buy out this could become a Marbury/Tinsley situation where Bargnani rots on the bench. Does he want to put up with that when he can agree to a buyout and then make more money playing for a team in Europe?

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    • Buying him out makes absolutely zero sense. They'd still have his salary count to their payroll, and thus it doesn't help the cap situation at all. The only way to eliminate a player's caphit is to amnesty him. It also has the added bonus that if/when he's picked up after being amnestied, his new salary is deducted from what the team has to keep paying him.

      If they buy him out, he has full power to force them to pay him everything they owe him. If his value is at an all-time low, it can't hurt him more to keep rotting on the bench. And the team can't win the public perception battle since they have the ability to use the amnesty provision on him...so it's nothing like a Marbury/Tinsley situation, because for them they were easily painted as "cancers" who refused to do what's in the best interest of both parties. But for Bargnani, they can't be like "we want him gone, but he won't agree on a buyout" because he'll just say "amnesty me and everything's solved. I get paid, you free up cap flexibility, and you save money depending on my new contract". Trying to buy him out will end very badly for how players around the league perceive the franchise (as if that needs to take another hit), regardless of the fact that Bargnani's involved.

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      • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
        It hurts my brain so much....I can't take it...owwwwwww
        Tenforthewin has been criticised for posting posts and disappearing. His lack of participation which irked people is now changing and people have a problem with that too. The only way he will be accepted is if he posts matter that people agree with. Sad indeed.
        Attitude Is A Choice.

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        • Whatever we do with Bargs, it should at least provide us with some flexibility going forward. I really want to see him gone, so waiting is the last thing I want to do. However, in the absence a a sensible trade, I wonder if waiting to move him as an expiring contract after next season would be better than the amnesty now option? I am by no means considering that his value may improve, only that Bargs as an expiring contract would be more appealing to other GMs next deadline/offseason than this summer. If anyone out there could speak to this, I would appreciate it. I have been reading up, but frankly I have limited understanding of the CBA and caps and holds and amnesting players and all that stuff, so I hope someone may be able to explain the pros and cons of a wait and trade next year vs an amnesty now situation.

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          • One other option is to use the stretch provision to buy out Kleiza, dropping his salary down to 1.53 million for the next three years, which gives you some room below the tax threshold for now, and yet still gives you the flexibility to use the amnesty provision on Bargnani next summer if things drag on and no trade emerges. Any advantage to amnestying Bargnani only really comes next summer when we have other expirings and additional flexibility, so I don't see a benefit to amnestying him this summer.

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            • qb5PHILA@hotmail.com wrote: View Post
              This is one of the few suggestions in this thread i could see both teams saying yes to, though I'm not sure throwing in a pick would fly (might even have to give one up).

              I'd still prefer to amnesty him over taking on these contracts, though--Novak plays zero D and Camby definitely doesn't have many more years of basketball in him.

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              • Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
                Tenforthewin has been criticised for posting posts and disappearing. His lack of participation which irked people is now changing and people have a problem with that too. The only way he will be accepted is if he posts matter that people agree with. Sad indeed.
                I'm not sure what your point is. People don't agree with his posts, not out of a difference of opinion, but because his posts make no sense whatsoever.

                In almost every one of his trades presented in this thread, the money was not even close to matching, often because he inexplicably was throwing Fields and Bargs together. He never follows up. He never learns and posts things that are more well thought out. He has been asked time and again to start paying attention to things like the CBA, at the very least, even if he wants to propose things that seem wild and unlikely for other reasons.

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                • As far as trades go, I don't want a return of a toxic player, a player with injury history, or another terrible contract unless it expires next season. Nor do I want to involve Amir in a trade with Bargs, but if so, the return has to be better than Lee. And if DeRozan was to be included then the return would have to be greater than E. Gordon. Amare isn't expiring, has injury issues, and his contract is about as bad as Barg's given his injury problems. The SAC deal interests me. I'll admit that I know little about the SAC players named, but if they can be of use on this team next season, then it works for me. This is the ideal trade scenario for Bargs in my opinion, moving him for small pieces that may have use on this club, or at the very least could easily be moved themselves. Like I said, I'm not sure if Hayes and Fredette are those guys, but if so then I would be happy with the deal. The Wallace deal intrigues me, but he obviously doesn't fit for this team and he has a longer contract...could we involve another team perhaps that may want a guy like Wallace?

                  I'll come back to Pau. I know many think that LA won't play, but there were rumors so I don't mind bringing it up. Pau is a great player, he can help improve the team, he can help improve JV, he isn't a toxic player (like Bargs is as a Raptor), and most importantly his contract is expiring. Initially when I heard the rumor I wasn't in favor, because of his contract and age, but hey, it's a one year rental with the possibility of keeping him on at a more reasonable cost later, if all parties want to of course. I wonder what LA's plans are for the offseason regarding Pau, and if it is affected by Kobe's injury or if it will be affected by Howards decision to either stay or sign elsewhere.

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                  • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                    I'm not sure what your point is. People don't agree with his posts, not out of a difference of opinion, but because his posts make no sense whatsoever.

                    In almost every one of his trades presented in this thread, the money was not even close to matching, often because he inexplicably was throwing Fields and Bargs together. He never follows up. He never learns and posts things that are more well thought out. He has been asked time and again to start paying attention to things like the CBA, at the very least, even if he wants to propose things that seem wild and unlikely for other reasons.
                    Trade Machine is an easy solution to this. Someone should tell him.
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                    • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                      Buying him out makes absolutely zero sense. They'd still have his salary count to their payroll, and thus it doesn't help the cap situation at all. The only way to eliminate a player's caphit is to amnesty him. It also has the added bonus that if/when he's picked up after being amnestied, his new salary is deducted from what the team has to keep paying him.

                      If they buy him out, he has full power to force them to pay him everything they owe him. If his value is at an all-time low, it can't hurt him more to keep rotting on the bench. And the team can't win the public perception battle since they have the ability to use the amnesty provision on him...so it's nothing like a Marbury/Tinsley situation, because for them they were easily painted as "cancers" who refused to do what's in the best interest of both parties. But for Bargnani, they can't be like "we want him gone, but he won't agree on a buyout" because he'll just say "amnesty me and everything's solved. I get paid, you free up cap flexibility, and you save money depending on my new contract". Trying to buy him out will end very badly for how players around the league perceive the franchise (as if that needs to take another hit), regardless of the fact that Bargnani's involved.
                      yeah that's true. I was only thinking of how to get him off the team and didn't even consider the cap situation and it's effect. Guess I'm just all to eager to be past the Bargnani chapter. I get the sinking feeling he'll be coming off the bench in a 6th man role next season.

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                      • Mediumcore wrote: View Post
                        But he wouldn't be leaving $10 million on the table because he could get paid one years worth of his salary (for example) and then pick up another lucrative contract somewhere else for this coming season and going forward. He stands to possibly make more money if he heads to Europe and get a multi year contract.

                        If the Raptors don't want to amnesty him and decide to play hardball to try and force him into a buy out this could become a Marbury/Tinsley situation where Bargnani rots on the bench. Does he want to put up with that when he can agree to a buyout and then make more money playing for a team in Europe?
                        The highest paid player in Italy makes under 2 million euros. Say Bargs became the highest paid player there and got 2 million euros per year. Thats roughly $2.7 USD. The raps owe him $12 million for 2014/15. He'd be leaving $9.3 million on the table for 14/15 even if he became Italy's top earner. Perhaps he could be a long term deal in Italy, but that deal will be waiting for him after he rakes is $12 mil from us in 2014/15

                        EDIT: Check that, Euro salaries are after taxes. So factoring taxes, he'd be leaving roughly $6 Mil USD to accept a buyout.
                        Last edited by NoBan; Fri May 10, 2013, 12:43 PM.

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                        • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                          I'm not sure what your point is. People don't agree with his posts, not out of a difference of opinion, but because his posts make no sense whatsoever.

                          In almost every one of his trades presented in this thread, the money was not even close to matching, often because he inexplicably was throwing Fields and Bargs together. He never follows up. He never learns and posts things that are more well thought out. He has been asked time and again to start paying attention to things like the CBA, at the very least, even if he wants to propose things that seem wild and unlikely for other reasons.
                          When a post does not make sense to you, the way you respond determines the course it takes(such as this). A pleasant response invokes pleasantness, an unpleasant response invokes unpleasantness and ignoring invokes nothing.

                          By saying this, I'm not saying that you have to respond a certain way. Who am I to say that? I don't agree, that's all.
                          Attitude Is A Choice.

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                          • Andrea Andrea Andrea. I'm not going to talk about my trade thoughts, because I'm not really good at it, but either way this LAZY BITCH must go. I don't see any potential to be the same decent player like he was before, not even off the bench. I think he's emit bad energy.

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                            • Bargnani will be traded.. and I do think it will be for someone half decent. I'm going into next season with no optimism but on the Bargnani front I will be shocked if he was not traded (amnesty I don't think is an option considering he's owed about $22M still).

                              The poll suggested I create a trade that I would stand by. Ideally I'd want a superstar back (like Love) but let's say I have to be somewhat realistic. Perhaps something like a Bargnani/Perkins swap. He's been awful in OKC and Bargnani has been awful here. We could use the defense, and they could use offense (especially if Martin leaves in free agency).

                              Or with Phoenix and trading Bargnani and a 2nd rounder for Gortat (who was unhappy there if I recall). Now they have a new GM and if his first move is trading for Bargnani then that's a bad sign for that franchise so I doubt that would happen.

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                              • isaacthompson wrote: View Post
                                Trade Machine is an easy solution to this. Someone should tell him.
                                people have...it doesn't seem to register

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