Bargnani shoots 47% from the field. This is very good when you consider all the jump shots he's still taking and the pressure he has on him from defenses given that he's the only big time scorer on the team. We're not talking about Antoine Walker here, taking 20 attempts a night and making 40% from the field.
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Apollo wrote: View PostBargnani shoots 47% from the field. This is very good when you consider all the jump shots he's still taking and the pressure he has on him from defenses given that he's the only big time scorer on the team. We're not talking about Antoine Walker here, taking 20 attempts a night and making 40% from the field.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Employee wrote: View PostEfficiency rating can be misleading when there aren't any other great scorers on your team. I would still want the ball in Bargs hands at the end of the shotclock more than any one else on the team.
And while Bargnani is the best scorer on the Raptors right now, that says more about the rest of the team than it does about him.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Toronto is 12th in scoring. They average 100 PPG. They're no where near a bad offensive team. Their losses are due to their defense, which is currently giving up and atrocious 105 PPG. You theory of dude is posting inflated numbers on a bad team is flawed because the offense is good.
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Multipaul wrote: View PostDD's defense has cost us many games. It is worse than Bargs. How can you say "there is still hope for DD" on defense? Where does this hope come from? Perhaps this book?:
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Matt52 wrote: View PostHave you seen his build? Do you realize he is barely 2 years removed from high school? You know he is 21, right?
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Apollo wrote: View PostToronto is 12th in scoring. They average 100 PPG. They're no where near a bad offensive team. Their losses are due to their defense, which is currently giving up and atrocious 105 PPG. You theory of dude is posting inflated numbers on a bad team is flawed because the offense is good.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Tim W. wrote: View PostNo one said he shot poorly, but he doesn't score efficiently. He takes nearly 18 shots to score 21 ppg. Last year, Bosh scored 23 ppg on fewer shots.
14th - Deron Williams, .463 FG%
13th - Russell Westbrook, .435 FG%
11th - Carmelo Anthony, .433 FG%
10th - Kevin Martin, .452 FG%
8th - Eric Gordon, .467 FG%
7th Derrick Rose, .453 FG%
5th - Kobe Bryant, .454 FG%
3rd - Monta Ellis, .471 FG%
1st - Kevin Durant, .471 FG%
Tim W. wrote: View PostHis FTA/FGA ratio is below 30%, which is actually a big improvement over last year, but still quite low for a guy who has the ball as much as he does.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostBargnani's offense is obviously not the issue. On a good team, Bargnani isn't going to get the minutes to take the number of shots he does, because he doesn't play defense or rebound the ball. It's the same with Reggie Evans. On a good team, he's not going to get the minutes to average double digits, but it doesn't mean he's not a good rebounder when he's out there. Bargnani is a good scorer when he's on the floor, but if you want to be a good team, you're going to limit his minutes to less than 20 because of him being a liabilities in other areas.Last edited by Apollo; Wed Jan 19, 2011, 06:30 PM.
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Apollo wrote: View PostBargnani is ranked 16th in scoring with a .468 FG%.
14th - Deron Williams, .463 FG%
13th - Russell Westbrook, .435 FG%
11th - Carmelo Anthony, .433 FG%
10th - Kevin Martin, .452 FG%
8th - Eric Gordon, .467 FG%
7th Derrick Rose, .453 FG%
5th - Kobe Bryant, .454 FG%
3rd - Monta Ellis, .471 FG%
1st - Kevin Durant, .471 FG%
Actually if you look from 16-30 there are a lot of guys who look similar to him when looking at FGA compared with FTA. I'm not working out the percentages but if you look at the link below we're talking peanuts in difference.
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One could argue that on a really good team he could score even more because he wouldn't draw so much heat on offense and his defensive inadequacies could be shielded by the talent around him. You throw Bargnani in next to Dwight Howard or Joakim Noah or Josh & Al and I'm sure you'd be amazed at his sudden defensive "transformation".
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Bargs is also 14th in the NBA for pts per 48 minutes.
Sidebar- Chris Bosh is 35th
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player...=Y&yearsExp=-1
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Multipaul wrote: View PostOhh...hmmm...ok so...if i guy has a nice ahem...."build"...then he will become a great defender.....so you don't like ummm... andrea's ...uh...build...right?
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI started to write a thoughtful response that overlooked my perceived childishness of your reply. However, it wouldn't make a difference. I hope at some point you learn to have a discussion about a player, specifically Bargnani, without your opinions/feelings/emotions/love of Bargnani getting in the way.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostBargnani is a good scorer when he's on the floor, but if you want to be a good team, you're going to limit his minutes to less than 20 because of him being a liabilities in other areas.
Somewhere between the love of Bargnani shown by many posters and the hate of Bargnani shown by others lies the reality of his worth as an NBA player and Raptor. I would guess somewhere right in the middle.
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Multipaul wrote: View PostNo Matt, seriously, what do you mean? Demar has a nice build and he is 21, so there is hope that he will be a better defender? I just dont see your logic. CB4 put on a bunch of weight last year, and he still got owned every night, his D did not improve at all. I just dont get what you mean.
Does having an athletic build guarantee he will become a great defender? Absolutely not - but it won't hurt his chances.
If he doesn't learn the game and play smarter, his athleticism will not do anything for him. But again an athletic, stunned basketball player is still better than an unathletic, stunned basketball player.
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