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  • heinz57 wrote: View Post
    agreed.. i see multipaul in the same way i see tim w
    I hate you.
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    • Tim W. wrote: View Post
      I hate you.
      im not going to lie... i said that on purpose. you've been trolled, Mr. W.

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      • heinz57 wrote: View Post
        im not going to lie... i said that on purpose. you've been trolled, Mr. W.
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        • Matt52 wrote: View Post
          Why anyone else would get banned - a violation of rules on the forum.

          Personally, I find this comment juvenille and without need, especially considering the person is unable to reply or defend himself. Multipaul has a short term ban and I hope he comes back posting within the guidelines of the forum. He offers an insight that is opposite to many of the posters here that I, for one, appreciate. The forum is based on discussion of opinions and seldom are topics clear cut right or wrong. Hopefully Multipaul, and everyone else, can keep future discussions on the topic at hand without disrespectful or inappropriate comments because one does not agree with another's opinion.
          That dude was annoying the hell outta me

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          • Raptors_ wrote: View Post
            That dude was annoying the hell outta me
            ROTFLMMFAO! Yesssssssssssssssss...

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            • This is from another thread that I have continued here because I didn't feel it was an appropriate discussion there.

              DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
              In this case I m not talking about personal insults. I never expected you to call him ugly, or his mom fat. I am talking about professionally insulting him, which to me are the same but I’ll leave that for now. When you repeatedly mention a players weaknesses call them the worst rebounder the biggest problem on the team etc to me that doesn’t really sound like you’re defending his game. If you were defended his game you would point to player strengths such as improved scorer, versatile big man and opportunity to be very helpful player moving forward.
              I have defended him on occasion, when I felt he was being unfairly attacked, but I certainly don't do it on a regular basis. And insulting and criticizing are two different things.

              DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
              Firstly, team statistics relating to individuals are not helpful measures. By that I mean rebounding is a result of team input but is tracked as an individual output. I don’t know what data you used to base your claims against but you’d think just by watching a game one wouldn’t have to use such data to prove a point, unless they had some other motives to draw attention to such as wanting a player to be traded. And last time I checked statements relating to “all time” are used for retired players.
              Bargnani is a bad rebounder no matter how you look it. He's a bad rebounder individually and for the team. He doesn't grab enough rebounds and he doesn't prevent his man from getting to the boards enough.

              As for what stats I used, per minute, Bargnani is currently one of the worst rebounding 7 footers...

              http://www.basketball-reference.com/...order_by_asc=Y

              DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
              Here are my civilized reasons for disagreeing with you about him being our biggest problem.
              I listen to and read player / coach’s interviews. Their opinions should be valued more highly the average fan and just based on hearing what they think about his game would make me believe he is a solution player. Here are some opposing players and coaches I remember who have spoke very highly about his game. Lebron James, Dirk Nowitsky, Brook Lopez, Big Z, every opposing coach whose been interviewed. However popular opinion shouldn’t be the determine factor because Id surely loose that battle, seems media/blogger opinions are more important these days. So let’s talk about his game. Well what can’t he do on offence he can step back hit the three, pull up hit the jumper, pump fake drive and dunk in his opponents face, post up a shorter defender, drive by taller one. Did i miss anything? His individual defense is excellent. He moves his feet well, contests every shot and doesn’t foul. His team defense is developing. He shows hard on screens, switches better and blocks some shots. Team defending is one area I would say needs improvement, but you can say that about the majority of NBA players.
              Most players say nice things about other players. They have a lot of sympathy for other players because they relate to them. And Bargnani IS a talented offensive player, which is what most of the people have said. Coaches DO need to create strategies to stop him from scoring.

              As for whose opinion is more important, I don't know. But I take what players and coaches say to the media with a grain of salt. Ask them what they say in person, and it might be different and usually is.

              As for his defense, it is bad. Individually, his defense is vastly overrated. He'll have a good defensive game, and then get completely rocked for 10 or 15, but people keep pointing to the game he shut down Tim Duncan. On certain specific occasions, Bargnani's man-to-man defense can be good. Overall, it's not. Bargnani generally only does well in certain, specific situations. He does best when defending a big, lumbering back to the basket player who doesn't have good footwork and generally isn't going to blow past you. Bargnani's greatest skill on defense is that he doesn't react well. While it hurts him a lot of the time, if you're trying to post up and you pump fake him, he's not going to react, so you have to shoot over him, where his length will disrupt you. Bargnani's also strong enough that, if he doesn't give up position (which he often does) he can keep his man away from the basket. Against face-up big men, guys who handle the ball well, players who go east-west well, Bargnani struggles mightily. It's why Amir usually guards the team's best big man. And why Bargnani is taken out in close games on defensive possessions.

              As for his team defense, yes, the majority of players need to work on that, but the majority of NBA players aren't complete liabilities on team defense. We're not talking about making a few improvements. We're talking about a guy who doesn't seem to have the first clue about how to play it. Yes, Bargnani blocks a few shots, but that is no indication of how good a defender someone is. And Bargnani is so out of position a lot of the time it still shocks me.

              DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
              What happened to your belief that defense and only defense wins championships? Yet you’re willing to trade for a combination of Beasley, Milicic and or Randolph. Those players who are softer than vanilla ice.
              Where on earth did you get the idea I'd want Beasley or Randolph? You're making massive assumptions based on absolutely nothing. I said I'd trade Bargnani to Minnesota. I never said for Beasley or Randolph. The guy I'd trade him for would be Rubio, who I think is going to be a great NBA point guard.

              DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
              Unless you’re an aspiring analyst for the NBA you shouldn’t be personally insulted by my criticism towards your criticism of another player’s game. And even if you were personally offended you should have only brought it up if you were certain that David Stern would be reading my post. You say that you have never insulted Bargnani on a personal level, yet now you’re saying I am insulting you on a personal level make up your mind son.
              Quite frankly, I don't understand this at all. I was not offended by your comment. You seemed to be offended by my criticism of Bargnani. And I simply responded.

              This is the post I responded to. It seemed a little insulting to me.

              DunkinDerozan wrote: View Post
              Seriously dude enough with your Bargnani love affair. You alwayse need to bring his name up even in a totally unrelated post. Listening to your Bargnani bashing is funny only because there is a perfect negative corelation the more you keep insulting him the better he plays. I just don't understand some of your ridicioulous claims about his game heres a few off the top of my head: worst rebounding center of all time, biggest problem onour team, most likely to be traded to minnesota lool.. everytime its something new. It just amazes me because we all watch the same games yet your analysis about his game is so delusional its almost laughable.
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              • RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
                LMFAO, Why did Multipaul get banned?
                Multipaul is a joker FTW
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                • Bargs is a crappy help defender, I think that much can be agreed on by everyone. Every so often though, Bargs does make the right decision and steps up to challenge someone driving and when that happens pay close attention to what his teammates do: No one rotates to take the man Bargs left. There is a massive issue with help defense on this team and no one seems to have even the slightest idea how to make the second and third rotations. When you watch a great defensive team play, like the celtics for example, you will see everyone rotating when a big step pout to challenge a drive. The biggest problem with the Raps is that when one of our bigs does step over to challenge a drive, the original defender has already given up on the play and doesn't rotate to pick up the man that will be left open when the second guy rotates (if he does). This means that either a player will be left open to receive a pass or someone will not be boxed out if the shot misses, which is why we get brutalised a lot by offensive rebounds.
                  This doesn't excuse Bargs sucking on help D, because there are times where he doesn't even make the first rotation to stop the easy layup which is just inexcusable, but there are massive problems with either the system Jay is using or in the way our guys are being taught to play D.

                  Sorry, just wanted to get that off my chest.
                  "Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."

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                  • the Nani is out tonight. Lol like my new nickname for Bargs?

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                    • Raptors_ wrote: View Post
                      the Nani is out tonight. Lol like my new nickname for Bargs?
                      I prefer BargNANCI! Cause he's afraid to bang down low? Like a girl? Named Nanci? get it? hahahahahaha

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                      • Raptors_ wrote: View Post
                        the Nani is out tonight. Lol like my new nickname for Bargs?
                        Mack North wrote: View Post
                        I prefer BargNANCI! Cause he's afraid to bang down low? Like a girl? Named Nanci? get it? hahahahahaha
                        Nah, Il Mago siuts him just fine...he's perfected the disappearing act better than Houdini him self!

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                        • Do Raptors have a problem on offense without Bargnani?

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                          • .40 Cal Flakes wrote: View Post
                            Nah, Il Mago siuts him just fine...he's perfected the disappearing act better than Houdini him self!
                            ok

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                            • RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
                              ---^
                              no, we almost won last night. Offence is not an issue

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                              • of course there's a problem when you take away the best offensive player on the team... but i thought they handled it pretty good last night, all things considered

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