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  • Bargnani fans think he's explosive...Bargnani critics think he's not. Case closed.

    Btw, this reasoning applies to every single aspect of Bargnani's game. One side is never going to convince the other.

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    • While I did chime in, I don't really see why anyone really cares that much what a player is labelled. If Bargnani is explosive or simply athletic, does it make a difference? Lots of players who I would categorize as non-explosive athletes have gone on to win the MVP (Nash, Dirk, Duncan, Karl Malone, Magic, Bird etc), so its not as if it's a prerequisite for anything. In the end, it's what a player does with the tools he is given that matters most.
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      • Nilanka wrote: View Post
        If Bargnani really is in such great shape at the moment, his trade value should theoretically be higher now than it would be when scouts disect his game once real games start. The time to trade Bargnani is now.
        Yes, because in an amateur league like the NBA there is no way they already know anything about Bargnani at all.

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        • Soft Euro wrote: View Post
          Yes, because in an amateur league like the NBA there is no way they already know anything about Bargnani at all.
          This is real life, not NBA 2K11. A player's trade value can fluctuate from year to year, or even month to month (shocking, isn't it?) If Bargnani's in better shape now compared to 12 months ago, there's a good chance some GMs will be impressed by that, prior to seeing him on the court and realizing he still stinks on defense.
          Last edited by Nilanka; Sun Dec 4, 2011, 09:00 PM.

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          • I've got to agree. If he's really in prime shape, a GM might feel that he's "finally put it together" and think he can finally come close to fulfilling his potential. If he ends up playing at a similar level as before, then the illusion is gone and another excuse is out the window. I really think the longer the Raptors keep Bargnani the lower his trade value goes down.

            My only hope, if he's not traded in the offseason, is that he comes out of the gate and plays well (which I wouldn't be surprised by) then Colangelo feels it's a perfect time to part with him.
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            • Nilanka wrote: View Post
              This is real life, not NBA 2K11. A player's trade value can fluctuate from year to year, or even month to month (shocking, isn't it?) If Bargnani's in better shape now compared to 12 months ago, there's a good chance some GMs will be impressed by that, prior to seeing him on the court and realizing he still stinks on defense.
              I don't understand how the first part of your reaction is related to my remark, so I'll quietly ingore it. My point is that you are almost, or maybe totally, talking about fooling some gm/team, who won't know what we know. That's highly unlikely.

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              • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                This is real life, not NBA 2K11. A player's trade value can fluctuate from year to year, or even month to month (shocking, isn't it?) If Bargnani's in better shape now compared to 12 months ago, there's a good chance some GMs will be impressed by that, prior to seeing him on the court and realizing he still stinks on defense.
                How can a GM see a player is in better shape now without seeing him on the court?

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                • Hugmenot wrote: View Post
                  How can a GM see a player is in better shape now without seeing him on the court?
                  He'll probably have to rely on published newspaper articles, Colangelo's sales pitch, and "inside sources".

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                  • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                    He'll probably have to rely on published newspaper articles, Colangelo's sales pitch, and "inside sources".
                    $40 million decisions usually require due diligence. Relying on newspaper articles and seller's sales pitch are not due diligence.

                    By "inside sources", do you mean "spies" are in place in the Raptors front office or training staff?

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                    • Hugmenot wrote: View Post
                      $40 million decisions usually require due diligence. Relying on newspaper articles and seller's sales pitch are not due diligence.

                      By "inside sources", do you mean "spies" are in place in the Raptors front office or training staff?
                      If, for example, Turkoglu can be traded twice within an 18 month span following his season in Toronto, perhaps due diligence isn't as important a factor as we assume it should be with some GMs.

                      As for "inside sources", your guess is as good as mine. I was just poking fun at the term we hear so often in the media, without having the slightest clue on its veracity.

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                      • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                        If, for example, Turkoglu can be traded twice within an 18 month span following his season in Toronto, perhaps due diligence isn't as important a factor as we assume it should be with some GMs.

                        As for "inside sources", your guess is as good as mine. I was just poking fun at the term we hear so often in the media, without having the slightest clue on its veracity.
                        Thanks for the answer as to the "inside sources" question.

                        As for the other points, we will just disgaree.

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                        • Bargnani to get Canadian Citizenship

                          http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityne...nadian-citizen

                          If this is true, and Bargnani gets traded, that's gotta suck for him.

                          On the other hand, I wonder if Bargnani would go through with this if he wasn't told by management that he's here to stay for the duration of his contract.

                          Speculate away...

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                          • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                            http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityne...nadian-citizen

                            If this is true, and Bargnani gets traded, that's gotta suck for him.

                            On the other hand, I wonder if Bargnani would go through with this if he wasn't told by management that he's here to stay for the duration of his contract.

                            Speculate away...
                            I don't think management can guarantee to any player they won't trade them (well, unless they're their franchise player). And I think players know that.

                            I did see that news. I wonder if he'd try to get American citizenship if he was traded there, or whether he truly likes Canada that much.
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                            • I worked in the US eight years before I obtained my Green Card. When comparing the difficulties encountered in the work visa obtention process with friends born in other countries, I think Bargnani moves makes sense whether he expects to remain a Raptor or not.

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                              • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                                The worry is that Bargnani doesn't improve (much) under Casey, and lowers his trade value to the point that Colangelo doesn't pull the trigger on any future trades.
                                Honestly, i really dont think this year will make much of a difference on Bargnani's trade value. If he "gets it" and plays defense and rebounds, people are going to think that it's pretty much expected coz he's on a crappy team coz the Raptors are pretty much destined to do bad this year, and if he doesnt improve, well, he's the same old Bargnani. If youve been a GM in the NBA for the past couple of years, you should pretty much well know that Bargnani is more known for his offense rather than defense, so if youre willing to acquire him, then you pretty much have your mind set that you need points from him, not rebounds or blocks. And in case he does rebound and defend better this year and youre going to acquire him because he showed flashes then i dont think youre a good GM. I think logically youd want to see him maintain those improvements for another year before you acquire him based on anything else other than scoring.

                                I think if he improves this year, its should be more beneficial for the Raptors rather than the team who might be willing to trade for him. If he does at least become a decent rebounder and defender, then it would be a nightmare matchup to have him and JV in the frontcourt.

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