Ilyasova is not very good at guarding back-to-the-basket 4's and is therefor not a great option at the pf spot. That said, his offensive game MAY make up for it...
...but the same can sometimes be said about Bargs.
Don't hate me because I'm an optimist.
Also, though no one likes Bargs' boards, but with Sanders an emerging anchor as a help defender, Bargs would be an upgrade for them over Ilyasova, who can't guard Cs. They could then put Bargs on certain bigger guys, and allow Sanders to float as a blocker. As it is now, Sanders would project to have to do both those jobs somehow, because Henson is also not likely big enough to guard Cs. Oh, and Sanders still needs a year or two of filling out physically as well.
And for a team like Milwaukee, shedding money is always a concern. They gave Ilyasova that contract, but for them, I think they hoped he would take another step forward, and he just doesn't have it in him. Better for them to lose that year of salary now, and get a similar player back who is an upgrade offensively (even at worse %s, Bargs can do a lot more) which is where the team projects to be weakest at the moment.
*one thought on the Ellis aspect.....They flip Ellis and Marquis Daniels to Indy for Granger. This lets George keep playing at the SF a lot, and Ellis becomes an insane supersub for them. For Milwaukee, they desperately need a starting calibre wing of normal size. For this to work, I feel like maybe in our trade, we'd have to flip them AA...I hope...
Last edited by white men can't jump; Mon Feb 11th, 2013 at 05:09 PM.
Really, it's not outlandish for Milwaukee. THey'll never attract a big free agent. Bargs would be a big upgrade as an experienced scoring big. He would not take any minutes from Henson and Sanders, who are emerging as the future of their frontcourt.
- 23.4 ppg, 6.4 Rb, 2.4 apg, 3.0 Stl, 21.4 shots, .435 efg%
- 19.7 ppg, 5.2 Rb, 1.6 apg, .9 Stl, 18.3 shots, .454 efg%
- 23.5 ppg, 6.6 Rb, 2.3 apg, .7 Stl, 18.8 shots, .466 efg%
WHAT DO THEY ALL MEAN?
The 1st set of numbers are ... HAIL TO THE KING numbers
The 2nd set are ... HELL OUT OF HERE numbers.
The 3rd set are ... HAIL TO THE KING OF HELL ... for 13 games at least (although the numbers reflect the full season)
- 1st set - Rudy's 5 game Toronto experience [40.1 mpg]
- 2nd set - Andrea's 2012-13 numbers [40.1 mpg matching equivalency]
- 3rd set - Andrea's 2011-12 numbers [40.1 again]
AB put up those 3rd set of numbers (in 2011-12), while being the prime focus of Defenses, and for which team expectations rested significantly on his shoulders. He also led the team in Simple Rating http://www.82games.com/1112/1112TOR.HTM . With more space to operate (via Rudy, Demar & Lowry), Bargnani should show a marked improvement.
2009-10 [with Bosh as #1] .... AB = .522 efg%
2008-09 [w/Bosh] ................ AB = .512 efg%
Add the fact that you have a 7 footer who's career FT% is .824, and you have yourself a potent 6th man guy.
What's the Point to all this?
Raptors should ride out Bargnani to the end of this season, then reassess. If he fits, then good. If he doesn't, then make changes. Play-offs (this season) are an extreme long-shot. Not making them means Raps can clear the slate (of their 1st round pick), and if not - top 3 pick via lottery -then all things turn out great, and Raps can grab a solid PG back-up for the 2013-14 season.
Last edited by RapthoseLeafs; Mon Feb 11th, 2013 at 05:56 PM.
I don't like this deal because I don't think it makes us much better. Basically, your trading one stretch four who's big enough for the position for another stretch four who shoots better but is likely to get pushed around. We don't have room at the 3 for him and I don't see him as an upgrade at the four. Basically it seems like a lateral deal. I'm actually for keeping Bargs until the summer to see how he meshes with this squad then going from there.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
To conclude i would be down to do this, i think this helps the team.
"Defense wins championships."
"Defense wins championships."
Eh, I'd still rather have Millsap. #MillsapOrNothing
The one thing that worries me about the wait and see approach with Bargs, is that he was getting booed in his first home game back....and really, why? That's a terrible sign. You can't keep running out a player who might be a target for booing on your homecourt for 30 games. That isn't good for anybody, and it can't help his value (even if I don't know if it would hurt it). From a roster evaluation standpoint I'm all for it, but I'm not sure BC will have that luxury.
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