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sleepz wrote: View PostLOL, funny but he says 'Rupaul' and it's sweet but he says Barg's is a 'no-star' and now he's a broken down vet that should be promoting the game! lol
You are clearly a hypocrite. What will you say when Andrea does not say anything back? Is not responding an issue when Bosh doesn't and cool if Andrea takes the same course fo action?
Shaq has always been and will always be a insulter and talker. Players better than Bosh and Andrea have felt or heard his criticism (Kobe).
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What I don't get is how many opportunities Bargnani has had to become a productive player on this team. Five years into the NBA we keep hearing the same excuses from Raptors coaches/management, i.e. he's "adjusting to the new players", "improving his inside game", "working on becoming more physical", etc... Fact of the matter is, the only area that has seen significant improvement in his game is his on-the-ball-post-defense. Beyond this, he has not shown any significant improvement in any area- especially considering he was the NUMBER ONE pick in the 2006 draft.
If only all players got the same amount of chances as he got, not to mention the baseless $50million contract he signed last year before he even proved his worth- merely on potential?
Bargnani can be an excellent role player on a team; he can stretch out the D and create mismatch opportunities, and he can hold his own when guarding opposing PF's, but I still haven't seen any justification for what the team makes him out to be, i.e. a top tier talent.
We'd be lucky if he becomes even remotely close to as productive as a Keith Van Horn, let alone a Dirk Nowitzki.
What burns the most is that the Raptors management has invested their reputation on Bargs, so there's a very slim chance we'll ever see him get traded
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abstract wrote: View Post+1
What I don't get is how many opportunities Bargnani has had to become a productive player on this team. Five years into the NBA we keep hearing the same excuses from Raptors coaches/management, i.e. he's "adjusting to the new players", "improving his inside game", "working on becoming more physical", etc... Fact of the matter is, the only area that has seen significant improvement in his game is his on-the-ball-post-defense. Beyond this, he has not shown any significant improvement in any area- especially considering he was the NUMBER ONE pick in the 2006 draft.
If only all players got the same amount of chances as he got, not to mention the baseless $50million contract he signed last year before he even proved his worth- merely on potential?
Bargnani can be an excellent role player on a team; he can stretch out the D and create mismatch opportunities, and he can hold his own when guarding opposing PF's, but I still haven't seen any justification for what the team makes him out to be, i.e. a top tier talent.
We'd be lucky if he becomes even remotely close to as productive as a Keith Van Horn, let alone a Dirk Nowitzki.
What burns the most is that the Raptors management has invested their reputation on Bargs, so there's a very slim chance we'll ever see him get traded
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nubreed000 wrote: View Postit's based on common sense and logic. i mean ya he could probably play for the clippers but no playoff contender would want him, especially as a starter. hitting 3 pointers isn't exactly an in-demand skill for a 7 footer, especially on contending teams.
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nubreed000 wrote: View Postit's based on common sense and logic. i mean ya he could probably play for the clippers but no playoff contender would want him, especially as a starter. hitting 3 pointers isn't exactly an in-demand skill for a 7 footer, especially on contending teams.
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His post defense is good...Bargnani can play defense in certain areas of the game; he’s just bad when guys face up against him and he doesn’t help very well.
That’s why a change to the power forward slot and bringing in a defensive stopper inside would help him and his career so much...
How can someone who is better off guarding the post, and poor in guarding face-up guys, be better at the PF position? It drives me crazy when people keep saying he's better off at the PF spot and then go on to give contradicting reasons.
It sounds more like what he needs is a good defensive PF (and no, he's never had that luxury). But ultimately, it sounds more like he's just not THAT good. Great bench player, poor starter, absolutely terrible franchise player.
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What is with your hate for Bargs?
Or is it that you hate the Raptors?
I bet on that. If we traded Bargs, you would just whine and bitch about Amir...or Jack..or Barbosa. Don't worry, it's called "Torontosportsfanitis", many people suffer from it with you. Try and take a positive outlook on things.
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im not the biggest bargs fan in the city. he's alright, but but if he left the team i wouldnt be heartbroken and beside myself like the bosh-ballwashers are...
but he HASN'T played anywhere but here. to say he'd be a failure somewhere else, when he hasn't had the oppurtunity to (or even shown a desire to play anywhere else) is outright stupid
just because you think a player is a failure on one team, doesnt mean he cant work in another system.
elton brand was a f'ing MONSTER on the clippers.. in philly he's a dud
devin harris was an afterthought in dallas, and now he's considered all-star calibre
to say somebody "COULDN'T" play somewhere and then say its based on "common sense and logic" is infantile and actually defies "common sense and logic"
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Man, it's getting exhausting reading all of this hate on Bargnani ... and Jose ... I'm not talking about what Shaq says, he's a legend - but I used to love spending lots of time on forums talking about our Raptors team ... what moves we could make ... how good we could become ... now over half of the comments have to include a negative twist on our players.
As a happy person and eternal optimist, all the negative energy gives me a headache.The only way to bag a classy lady is to give her two tickets to the gun show... and see if she likes the goods.
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Papa Burgundy wrote: View PostMan, it's getting exhausting reading all of this hate on Bargnani ... and Jose ... I'm not talking about what Shaq says, he's a legend - but I used to love spending lots of time on forums talking about our Raptors team ... what moves we could make ... how good we could become ... now over half of the comments have to include a negative twist on our players.
As a happy person and eternal optimist, all the negative energy gives me a headache.
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