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    Default Bosh: Colangelo's Comments Were "Unfortunate"

    Eventhough he handled the criticism well, I do think Bosh did check himself out towards the end of the season. I mean, when doctors give you the "all clear" to play, but you feel otherwise, you can't help but wonder.

    Bosh also addressed criticism from Toronto Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo, who hinted in comments after Bosh left Toronto that the power forward was distracted by free agency and didn't give his all last season.

    Bosh said Colangelo's comments were "unfortunate," adding that the two have not spoken since.

    "That's how he handled it ... All I can do is react and just stay grounded and stay humble and just keep doing what I'm doing," Bosh said. "It doesn't bother me because I know I've never quit at any point in my NBA career, in my lifetime, playing basketball."
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    i dont understand why people think bosh checked out...

    he missed 7 games after the all start break with an ankle injury. ankle injuries are difficult to recover from and 7 games is on the short end.

    he had games where he scored 42, 34, 28, 36, 28 after the all-star break.
    in march he averaged 22pts n 9rbds...

    his production in march was 2 pts and 2 rbds less than his season average.

    but games in march n april are significantly more defensive and teams usually tighten up.

    also he was coming back from an injury.

    how can we seriously say that bosh checked out...

    this is just another BC trick to give BC a free pass.

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    i dont understand why people think bosh checked out...

    he missed 7 games after the all start break with an ankle injury. ankle injuries are difficult to recover from and 7 games is on the short end.

    he had games where he scored 42, 34, 28, 36, 28 after the all-star break.
    in march he averaged 22pts n 9rbds...

    his production in march was 2 pts and 2 rbds less than his season average.

    but games in march n april are significantly more defensive and teams usually tighten up.

    also he was coming back from an injury.

    how can we seriously say that bosh checked out...

    this is just another BC trick to give BC a free pass.
    Not a BC fan?

    Bosh injured on Feb 18. Returned March 07.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nba/teams/players/bio/?id=924

    By my count that was 18 days. Yes, ankle injuries can be bothersome, no two players have the same pain tolerance yada yada.

    The point you do not raise (nor Bosh) is that the doctors pronounced him fit (no swelling, mri/xray checks) much before he felt it appropriate to play. The timing of the season and team position in the standings are other large issues. DD and Wright I recall suffered ankle sprains/twists. Wright if I remember came back in a couple of days (in one case...he had a couple of sprains) and DD's took a week or so but was held back from returning too soon. I do not have the links on these and reprimand me if I am off base.

    There is too much circumstantial evid. to point to Bosh not wanting to jeopardize his free agency signing...one that he had ALREADY decided on at the time. To believe he was giving his all for a team he had no intention on continuing with is to ....
    Even his teammates knew he was headed off about 2 months before season's end (Bargnani interview) .... and coincidental with his ankle injury (Feb 18- April 14). He also wasnt about to score/play badly (low stats) to create any doubt about his effectiveness. He could even have chosen to play with a mask after his mustache bone crack. One could make the case that Hedo's playing with his orbital bone injury was a more dangerous circumstance...and that was way before the season was in the balance.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    The point you do not raise (nor Bosh) is that the doctors pronounced him fit (no swelling, mri/xray checks) much before he felt it appropriate to play.
    but how do you know bosh was cleared to play ?

    cuz bc told u? please

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    but how do you know bosh was cleared to play ?

    cuz bc told u? please
    i dont think BC would invent something like that. there would be records to prove such things. if bosh really felt bad that BC bashed him, why didnt he take it further as ask the team to make the records public? I think its a tremendous knack on bosh's personality and professionalism, yet he didnt even issue a public statement because he knows, BC is telling the truth.

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    i dont understand why people think bosh checked out...

    he missed 7 games after the all start break with an ankle injury. ankle injuries are difficult to recover from and 7 games is on the short end.

    he had games where he scored 42, 34, 28, 36, 28 after the all-star break.
    in march he averaged 22pts n 9rbds...

    his production in march was 2 pts and 2 rbds less than his season average.

    but games in march n april are significantly more defensive and teams usually tighten up.

    also he was coming back from an injury.

    how can we seriously say that bosh checked out...

    this is just another BC trick to give BC a free pass.
    i think BCs exact word were, he mentally checked out. doesnt mean he wont score 25pts and grab 10rebs. he probably wasnt communicating in the locker room as much as he used to, he wasnt being vocal. you know sometimes you come to work and do everything as you always do, but youre already thinking about going home and watching the raptors. same thing.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    i think BCs exact word were, he mentally checked out. doesnt mean he wont score 25pts and grab 10rebs.
    wow bosh must be fucking ridiculous if he can mentally check out and still get 25 n 10 game in game out...

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    wow bosh must be fucking ridiculous if he can mentally check out and still get 25 n 10 game in game out...
    no he's not. thats why everybody's saying he padded his stats. coz he mentally checked out of games and started to pursue his own agenda.

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    I think he was looking out for his max contract and not the team's interests.

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    Most of the teams the raps played in March and April were gearing down for the lottery or resting players for the playoffs. Bosh deserves the criticism not just for his cowardly performance in the second half of the season, but for the lie he keeps perpetuating concerning his eventual free agency destination. That is the main reason I will boo him, I used to be indifferent about him as he is a paper mache champion and not worthy of the insults I will spew at him, but he keeps taking the rest of the world for idiots and for that I will get my pound of flesh.

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    Quote mo-sales wrote: View Post
    Most of the teams the raps played in March and April were gearing down for the lottery or resting players for the playoffs.
    you cant be serious ?
    Last edited by vinnie_paz; Wed Aug 11th, 2010 at 04:21 PM.

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    EDIT: No insults please - Doc
    Naw, he's just a blind fan aka fanatic- a person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause- in this case the Raptor's and/or BC). Folks should wish Bosh all the best and thank him for his 7 years in TO.

    Plus if he was looking out for his own interest's above the team's who can really blame him given the opprotunity to play w/ Wade & LBJ- why risk further injury if you don't feel right no matter what team doctors may say- Bosh has to look out for himself 1st.
    Last edited by SirChillyMost; Wed Aug 11th, 2010 at 04:16 PM.

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    Quote mo-sales wrote: View Post
    Bosh deserves the criticism not just for his cowardly performance in the second half of the season, but for the lie he keeps perpetuating concerning his eventual free agency destination.
    what lie ?
    that he was keeping his options open and hoping to work with the raps ?

    isnt that exactly what he did?

    did he ever even hint at re-signing here?


    cowardly performance in the second half ? umm yea sure 22pts n 9 rbds in march and 24 n 9 in april is cowardly
    Last edited by vinnie_paz; Wed Aug 11th, 2010 at 04:22 PM.

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    "....All I can do is react and just stay grounded and stay humble and just keep doing what I'm doing..."

    Not sure if anyone else watched the circus in July but nothing about Bosh was grounded or humble. Over the top and egocentric, maybe, grounded and humble, definitely not.

    Glad he is gone. Not a franchise player and not worth a max contract whether he stayed or not - end of discussion.

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    Apr 06 @ CLE L 101 - 113 2 1 - 1 0 - 0 0 - 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2
    Apr 04 vs. GSW L 112 - 113 41 11 - 19 0 - 0 20 - 23 4 9 13 0 5 1 3 3 42
    Apr 03 @ PHI W 128 - 123 46 8 - 14 0 - 0 12 - 13 5 7 12 7 0 0 4 2 28
    Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
    Mar 31 vs. LAC W 114 - 92 38 12 - 17 0 - 0 10 - 13 2 9 11 1 0 3 1 34
    Mar 29 @ CHA W 103 - 101 38 10 - 19 0 - 0 2 - 3 3 8 11 2 1 2 1 2 22
    Mar 28 @ MIA L 94 - 97 37 8 - 20 0 - 1 3 - 4 1 5 6 3 2 0 2 3 19
    Mar 26 vs. DEN L 96 - 97 40 8 - 16 0 - 0 2 - 4 4 8 12 5 1 2 5 3 18
    Mar 24 vs. UTA L 87 - 113 35 7 - 18 0 - 0 6 - 10 3 5 8 3 0 0 2 1 20
    Mar 22 @ MIN W 106 - 100 38 7 - 13 0 - 0 7 - 9 4 6 10 0 0 0 6 4 21
    Mar 20 @ NJN W 100 - 90 41 16 - 27 0 - 1 4 - 4 4 4 8 1 0 0 6 2 36
    Mar 19 vs. OKC L 89 - 115 30 7 - 14 0 - 1 8 - 8 3 7 10 0 0 1 4 1 22
    Mar 17 vs. ATL W 106 - 105 33 6 - 19 0 - 0 2 - 2 1 9 10 4 1 0 1 5 14
    Mar 14 @ POR L 98 - 109 39 9 - 14 0 - 1 10 - 12 1 6 7 2 0 1 3 5 28
    Mar 13 @ GSW L 112 - 124 36 8 - 13 0 - 0 8 - 10 1 10 11 5 0 1 6 24
    Mar 10 @ SAC L 90 - 113 38 6 - 20 0 - 0 2 - 3 1 4 5 3 0 0 1 3 14
    Mar 09 @ LAL L 107 - 109 31 7 - 18 2 - 2 6 - 6 4 3 7 4 0 1 0 5 22
    Mar 07 vs. PHI L 101 - 114 33 6 - 14 0 - 0 0 - 0 4 8 12 1 0 0 2 2 12

    Bosh's game log for March and April. He scored above his season averages (28) against one playoff team (POR) and averaged only 20 points against the 7 other playoff teams. He put up big games against the Clippers (34) who were tanking, the Nets (36) historically bad and GS (42) who had a D league front court oh and he missed the game winning layup. He corralled less than 10 boards in 6 of 16 games and only grabbed more than 12 once. He turned the ball over 18 times in 3 games against the 3 worst teams in the league. He shot only 45% against the 8 playoff teams while only going to the line 49 times.

    For a guy who is only as good as his stats I don't see how anyone can argue he wasn't performing at anywhere near the pre all star level and that he reverted back to shooting long range jumpers, staying away from the free throw line and only putting up points against the dregs of the league. I watched the games, the guy stop caring and his stats and the accompanying losses reflected that. So before you insult me and ignore reality, go back and actually read the box scores instead of inanely repeating the same stats like an FAQ wannabe.

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    Quote mo-sales wrote: View Post
    Apr 06 @ CLE L 101 - 113 2 1 - 1 0 - 0 0 - 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2
    Apr 04 vs. GSW L 112 - 113 41 11 - 19 0 - 0 20 - 23 4 9 13 0 5 1 3 3 42
    Apr 03 @ PHI W 128 - 123 46 8 - 14 0 - 0 12 - 13 5 7 12 7 0 0 4 2 28
    Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
    Mar 31 vs. LAC W 114 - 92 38 12 - 17 0 - 0 10 - 13 2 9 11 1 0 3 1 34
    Mar 29 @ CHA W 103 - 101 38 10 - 19 0 - 0 2 - 3 3 8 11 2 1 2 1 2 22
    Mar 28 @ MIA L 94 - 97 37 8 - 20 0 - 1 3 - 4 1 5 6 3 2 0 2 3 19
    Mar 26 vs. DEN L 96 - 97 40 8 - 16 0 - 0 2 - 4 4 8 12 5 1 2 5 3 18
    Mar 24 vs. UTA L 87 - 113 35 7 - 18 0 - 0 6 - 10 3 5 8 3 0 0 2 1 20
    Mar 22 @ MIN W 106 - 100 38 7 - 13 0 - 0 7 - 9 4 6 10 0 0 0 6 4 21
    Mar 20 @ NJN W 100 - 90 41 16 - 27 0 - 1 4 - 4 4 4 8 1 0 0 6 2 36
    Mar 19 vs. OKC L 89 - 115 30 7 - 14 0 - 1 8 - 8 3 7 10 0 0 1 4 1 22
    Mar 17 vs. ATL W 106 - 105 33 6 - 19 0 - 0 2 - 2 1 9 10 4 1 0 1 5 14
    Mar 14 @ POR L 98 - 109 39 9 - 14 0 - 1 10 - 12 1 6 7 2 0 1 3 5 28
    Mar 13 @ GSW L 112 - 124 36 8 - 13 0 - 0 8 - 10 1 10 11 5 0 1 6 24
    Mar 10 @ SAC L 90 - 113 38 6 - 20 0 - 0 2 - 3 1 4 5 3 0 0 1 3 14
    Mar 09 @ LAL L 107 - 109 31 7 - 18 2 - 2 6 - 6 4 3 7 4 0 1 0 5 22
    Mar 07 vs. PHI L 101 - 114 33 6 - 14 0 - 0 0 - 0 4 8 12 1 0 0 2 2 12

    Bosh's game log for March and April. He scored above his season averages (28) against one playoff team (POR) and averaged only 20 points against the 7 other playoff teams. He put up big games against the Clippers (34) who were tanking, the Nets (36) historically bad and GS (42) who had a D league front court oh and he missed the game winning layup. He corralled less than 10 boards in 6 of 16 games and only grabbed more than 12 once. He turned the ball over 18 times in 3 games against the 3 worst teams in the league. He shot only 45% against the 8 playoff teams while only going to the line 49 times.

    For a guy who is only as good as his stats I don't see how anyone can argue he wasn't performing at anywhere near the pre all star level and that he reverted back to shooting long range jumpers, staying away from the free throw line and only putting up points against the dregs of the league. I watched the games, the guy stop caring and his stats and the accompanying losses reflected that. So before you insult me and ignore reality, go back and actually read the box scores instead of inanely repeating the same stats like an FAQ wannabe.
    you said bosh lied... what did he lie about ? why do you believe in your head that bosh lied to us about something ?

    copying and pasting stats in so pointless... look at ur post do u really think anyone can understand what those numbers mean ?

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    you said bosh lied... what did he lie about ? why do you believe in your head that bosh lied to us about something ?

    copying and pasting stats in so pointless... look at ur post do u really think anyone can understand what those numbers mean ?
    i think he lied when he said he was still considering the raptors as a possible destination for him, when it was clear he wasnt even communicating with the them anymore. i think he lied when he said he was just chilling in miami after the season. lies become lies when youve been caught. if he didnt sign with miami, then yeah, his visits there were just for relaxation. but now that he is with miami, its a total lie. get it? he couldve chilled here in toronto. it was summer here.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    i think he lied when he said he was still considering the raptors as a possible destination for him, when it was clear he wasnt even communicating with the them anymore. i think he lied when he said he was just chilling in miami after the season. lies become lies when youve been caught. if he didnt sign with miami, then yeah, his visits there were just for relaxation. but now that he is with miami, its a total lie. get it? he couldve chilled here in toronto. it was summer here.
    I'm almost at my wits end with this whole Bosh melodrama. I don't think many if any people are mad that he left, I'm not even upset at how he left. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. He has peaked as a player and plateaued as a person a decade ago. He's over priced as a 3rd banana and unqualified as a 1st. He should go down as one of the worst franchise player's in NBA history. A 'franchise' guy who didn't make anyone on his team better, caused his team to constantly underachieve, treated defense like he does integrity, milked one injury during a playoff race and abandoned his team after another allthewhile lying to anyone who would listen about what/where/when/why and how he would approach free agency. In the immortal words of Gary Busey, he is a gut maggot with no guts. Heck I might even stop drinking milk.

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    Quote mo-sales wrote: View Post
    I'm almost at my wits end with this whole Bosh melodrama. I don't think many if any people are mad that he left, I'm not even upset at how he left. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. He has peaked as a player and plateaued as a person a decade ago. He's over priced as a 3rd banana and unqualified as a 1st. He should go down as one of the worst franchise player's in NBA history. A 'franchise' guy who didn't make anyone on his team better, caused his team to constantly underachieve, treated defense like he does integrity, milked one injury during a playoff race and abandoned his team after another allthewhile lying to anyone who would listen about what/where/when/why and how he would approach free agency. In the immortal words of Gary Busey, he is a gut maggot with no guts. Heck I might even stop drinking milk.
    hahaha well said mo. i think everybody's just pissed at how he handled the situation. its like having a gf and then you break up and then your gf says oh the last year we were together, i faked an orgasm and was actually already thinking of other guys! hahahaha same with bosh. and nobody ever wants to get two-timed.

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    meh. he's gone. fuck him.

    he's getting booed as much as any other player on the heat.

    not because he left though.. just cuz he's on the heat.

    you dont show love for your enemy in your own house.

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