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    In the thread "Current Raptors 2010-2011 Depth Chart" we looked at what the Raptors rotation may look like. Now, let's look at the time share:

    Center
    Bargnani 35 min
    David Andersen: 10 min
    Ed Davis: 3 min


    Power Forward
    Amir Johnson: 26 min
    Ed Davis: 22 min


    Small Forward
    Linas Kleiza: 23 min
    DeMar DeRozan: 16 min
    Julian Wright: 9 min

    Shooting Guard
    DeMar DeRozan:19 min
    Leandro Barbosa: 14 min
    Sonny Weems: 15 min


    Point Guard

    Jarret Jack: 25 min
    Jose Calderon: 20 min
    Leandro Barbosa: 3 min

    DNP
    Reggie Evans
    Solomon Alabi
    Marcus Banks

    When you actually start trying to piece it together it becomes difficult to say the least. Having Barbosa in town limits the need for Calderon or Jack, take your pick. No wonder they're trying to move Jose because with him out of the picture things would free up significantly for all the young guys trying to get time.

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    Don't see Weems averaging less than 20 mins and Wright more than 5...

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    The Hornets had far more depth and success than the Raptors over the past three seasons and Wright averaged 12 minutes. He's invested a lot of time this off-season working on specific skills and I think he'll have chip on his shoulder with a lot to prove come camp.

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    you do realize that Barbosa is a SG. He can't handle the ball... he has no handles...

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    That's not true at all. He played both guard positions in Phoenix.

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    No way that they are going to play 12 man rotation.
    Wright & Barbosa will be DNP, unless someone is hurt.

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    Quote dn66 wrote: View Post
    No way that they are going to play 12 man rotation.
    Wright & Barbosa will be DNP, unless someone is hurt.
    Noooo way...Wright maybe (I don't think so but who really knows) but Barbosa being DNP usually, it's just not going to happen.

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    Barbosa will be the first or second guy off the bench.

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    Barbosa will be the first or second guy off the bench.
    I think Barbosa will be either the first or second guard off of the bench.

    I also think he will get a lot of minutes in the 4th quarter when Triano goes small ball.
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    Barbosa will be the first or second guy off the bench.
    I think Barbosa will be either the first or second guard off of the bench.

    I also think he will get a lot of minutes in the 4th quarter when Triano goes small ball.
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    I personally think it makes more sense to trade Barbosa. He has higher value given his shorter contract and 6th man microwave reputation around the league. Without Barbosa, things become a lot easier at the 1-2-3 positions:

    PG: Jose 24 min, Jack 24 min
    SG: DeRozan 30 min, Weems 18 min
    SF: Kleiza 24 min, Weems 6 min, Wright 18 min

    That's enough time for everyone imo.

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    Balancing the minutes will be tough, i'd like to see more for weems and wright although am not sure at whose expense. If Alabi is going to be DNP then we should send him to the D-League. Overall I think your minutes are pretty accurate. I could see Andersen getting a little less and Amir getting a little more.
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    Quote Fon Riego wrote: View Post
    Noooo way...Wright maybe (I don't think so but who really knows) but Barbosa being DNP usually, it's just not going to happen.
    ya, geez what was that guy smoking. that was so ridiculous.

    alabi will be d-league, kleiza will be getting time at pf, you were right either joihnson or davis will see time at center, calderon will be lucky to last longer than a month into the season, weems>wright, not sure i see demar at sf unless you are playing a really small lineup with sonny at pf.

    ya, it's going to be tight unless you get rid of jose, than you really can see what these guys can do.
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    I'd start Weems and have Kleiza, Barbs, Jose, Davis, Alabi as 2nd unit..
    10 man rotation with Jose, Barbs and Kleiza as the first 3 off the bench..

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    I am sorry, but I do not agree with that, at all. Barbosa is so good, why would you give him 3 minutes?! You are giving Anderson more minutes....

    I say it will be more like this, but I think it will change during the season depending on who steps up. DD or even Weems could end up playing 30 minutes if they light up...

    CENTER

    Andrea Bargnani 30-40 minutes (depending on foul trouble)
    David Andersen 8 minutes (depending on Bargs' foul trouble)
    Amir Johnson 5 minutes (might end up playing Center at some points...)

    POWER FORWARD

    Amir Johnson 30 minutes or less (he'll be caught up in foul trouble pretty much every game)
    Ed Davis 20 minutes
    Reggie Evans 1 minute

    SMALL FORWARD

    Linas Kleiza 25 minute
    Demar DeRozan 10 minutes
    Julian Wright 18 minutes

    SHOOTING GUARD

    Demar DeRozan 20 minutes
    Sonny Weems 20 minutes
    Leandro Barbosa 10 minutes

    POINT GUARD

    Jose Calderon 25 minutes
    Jarret Jack 20 minutes
    Leandro Barbosa 10 minutes

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    Unless you think the Raps are going overtime every single game, I don't think your pt splits work so well...
    Also I think Dorsey's gonna stick with the team, with Alabi going to the D-league. Unless I missed something and Dorsey's already gone...

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    CENTER

    Andrea Bargnani 30-40 minutes (depending on foul trouble)
    David Andersen 8 minutes (depending on Bargs' foul trouble)
    Amir Johnson 5 minutes (might end up playing Center at some points...)

    POWER FORWARD

    Amir Johnson 30 minutes or less (he'll be caught up in foul trouble pretty much every game)
    Ed Davis 20 minutes
    Reggie Evans 1 minute

    SMALL FORWARD

    Linas Kleiza 25 minute
    Demar DeRozan 10 minutes
    Julian Wright 18 minutes

    SHOOTING GUARD

    Demar DeRozan 20 minutes
    Sonny Weems 20 minutes
    Leandro Barbosa 10 minutes

    POINT GUARD

    Jose Calderon 25 minutes
    Jarret Jack 20 minutes
    Leandro Barbosa 10 minutes
    Nice try Joe, but last time I checked NBA games are still 48 minutes long. Right now you have 51 mins for PF, 53 for SF, 50 for SG, and 55 for PG. Are the Raptors going to be so bad that the league will inact a mercy rule allowing them to have 6 players on the court?

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    Those are not accurate numbers. I just rounded up the minutes. No one will have fixed minutes...

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    So my minutes theory is flawed and I'll call myself out on it. The flaw comes in the fact that guys miss games due to injuries and guys at the end of the rotation typically don't play every game. After you get past the top 8 or so you'll see one guy playing one game but he might sit out next game to make way for another player who may offer a more favorable match up. To illustrate all this all you need to do is consider two facts. 240, that's the total minutes that can be played at five positions during a game. 290, that's roughly what the total of the average minutes per player was for the Raptors last season. With this in mind it's makes things a little easier to manage. Below I've constructed a list using 290 minutes, which I know is just a rough number but I feel using last year's total will better reflect what it will look like when thinking about other variables:

    MINUTES BY POSITION

    Center

    Andrea Bargnani 36 min
    David Andersen 12 min
    Ed Davis 2 min
    Solomon Alabi 5 min


    Power Forward
    Amir Johnson 27 min
    Ed Davis 25 min
    Reggie Evans 10 min


    Small Forward
    Linas Kleiza 25 min
    DeMar DeRozan 16 min
    Julian Wright 12 min


    Shooting Guard
    DeMar DeRozan 21 min
    Leandro Barbosa 17 min
    Sonny Weems 22 min


    Point Guard
    Jarret Jack 30 min
    Jose Calderon 20 min
    Leandro Barbosa 5 min
    Marcus Banks 5 min



    MINUTES BY PLAYER

    DeMar DeRozan 37 min
    Andrea Bargnani 36 min
    Jarret Jack 30 min
    Ed Davis 27 min
    Amir Johnson 27 min
    Linas Kleiza 25 min
    Leandro Barbosa 22 min
    Sonny Weems 22 min
    Jose Calderon 20 min
    David Andersen 12 min
    Julian Wright 12 min
    Reggie Evans 10 min
    Solomon Alabi 5 min
    Marcus Banks 5 min

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    That seems pretty fair, but I think the on court match ups will dictate the minutes more than ability and versatility. I don't think Jose, Kleiza and Bargs should ever be on the court together. Jose should play with Amir because of thier chemistry and Wright to get his confidence up. I think Wright is the starting SF of the future so giving him as much burn as possible is crucial. Derozan and Weems should get a lot of time playing together and Barbosa needs to play with another ball handler/distributor which may end up being Kleiza. I don't think Reggie should ever see the floor. The crunch time lineup should be Jack, Derozan, Weems, Amir, Bargs.

    The best part of this team is that the 2nd unit will almost be as talented as the 1st. If the starters can just avoid getting blown out every 1st quarter, the back ups might be able to make thier fair share of deficits.

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