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    Just like your useless stats buddah

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Against Israel? RFLMAO

    Italy is ranked 8th in FIBA
    Israel 25th

    One can only imagine how many points Bargs would score in 20 minutes against Liberia or The People's Republic of Congo

    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/rankMen.asp
    8th? I find that kind of surprising. I'm sure it will go down significantly after they failed to qualify for the worlds

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    Half the statistical categories were created to baffle the brains of those who don't understand the sport. Those brains we speak of are at RR LOL. Just like Buddah saying that it would be just as easy for AMir to average 20 points as it would be for ANdrea to average 10 rebounds LOL. You can blame one player for a team problem and that is called denial.

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    Quote RecklessIndifference wrote: View Post
    8th? I find that kind of surprising. I'm sure it will go down significantly after they failed to qualify for the worlds
    Yea I was surprised about that too.

    One would think that their ranking would in fact drop after the world tournament this month and next.
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    Quote RecklessIndifference wrote: View Post
    8th? I find that kind of surprising. I'm sure it will go down significantly after they failed to qualify for the worlds
    Yea I was surprised about that too.

    One would think that their ranking would in fact drop after the world tournament this month and next.
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    I'm not worried one bit. I actually think he'll rise to the challenge next year and be a leader for the team as he started to break through with his in-game communication last season.

    Also, look at the draft that he was number one in. If my memory is right, people were thinking aldridge or tyrus thomas instead of him as #1. Would our team be better if we'd taken them? Sure Brandon Roy was there but lots of other teams passed on him, too. Colangelo looked at the talent, picked the guy he wanted and went with him despite the fact that he got a higher pick than expected. That's what I want in a GM...not the guy who takes what draftexpress tells him to.

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    Bargnani is not simply a player with poor defensive skills. He's a 7 footer who can't play team defense, is an extremely poor rebounder and cannot actually create his own shot very well. He can go past guys who fall for his pump fake, but his shooting percentage goes WAY down the moment he puts the ball on the floor. He doesn't move well without the ball, has no move except for a pump fake and drive right, and is a passable, at best, post player who doesn't draw fouls.

    If you put a good defensive center beside him, he'll still be a poor defensive and rebounding 7 footer who needs help to score. You can surround him with better defensive players, but this isn't Steve Nash we're talking about here. Bargnani isn't that good on offense that you need to build around him and protect him on the defensive end. He's a half decent scorer and scoring is his BIGGEST strength. I mean, if this were a Kevin Durant-type talent on the offensive end, I can see trying to build around him. But he's not even close to that. This is, quite frankly, a half decent player that shouldn't even be the second option on a good team. Why adjust the entire team for a player like that?
    He does sometimes tend to lull in the paint but he's a decent defender. averaged 1.4 blks last year, #17th in the league. he's more of a weakside blocker, meaning he blocks shots of offensive players who got away from their man. Averages 6 rebs last year which is not great but decent. i think extremely poor rebounder is a tag for the likes of boykins or maybe even POB. im not sure how his shooting % goes down when he puts the ball on the floor, when putting the ball on the floor means youre going to penetrate which means a higher chance of getting the ball in the hoop, therefore, high FG%. He may have the same move everytime, but it seems to be effective, he's averaged almost 17pts a game in 14 attempts, again, close to 50%.

    i think most of your assumptions are what they are, assumptions. if you look at games from last year, he mostly got his points off broken plays, meaning the ball got down to bosh, he got double teamed so he passes out to andrea. imagine if plays were actually made for andrea, he'd probably be scoring at least 20 a game.

    the thing with andrea is, he may not be a franchise player, but right now, he is. or at least he is considered to be. same situation with bosh when VC left.

    i think bargs is in the same situation now as back then with granger. granger was 7pts/5rebs then 13/5 his 1st 2 seasons with indiana. his third year he all of a sudden becomes the franchise player, he gets 19/6.

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    He does sometimes tend to lull in the paint but he's a decent defender. averaged 1.4 blks last year, #17th in the league. he's more of a weakside blocker, meaning he blocks shots of offensive players who got away from their man. Averages 6 rebs last year which is not great but decent. i think extremely poor rebounder is a tag for the likes of boykins or maybe even POB. im not sure how his shooting % goes down when he puts the ball on the floor, when putting the ball on the floor means youre going to penetrate which means a higher chance of getting the ball in the hoop, therefore, high FG%. He may have the same move everytime, but it seems to be effective, he's averaged almost 17pts a game in 14 attempts, again, close to 50%.

    i think most of your assumptions are what they are, assumptions. if you look at games from last year, he mostly got his points off broken plays, meaning the ball got down to bosh, he got double teamed so he passes out to andrea. imagine if plays were actually made for andrea, he'd probably be scoring at least 20 a game.

    the thing with andrea is, he may not be a franchise player, but right now, he is. or at least he is considered to be. same situation with bosh when VC left.

    i think bargs is in the same situation now as back then with granger. granger was 7pts/5rebs then 13/5 his 1st 2 seasons with indiana. his third year he all of a sudden becomes the franchise player, he gets 19/6.
    That may be true in some peoples minds, fair enough.

    I don't happen to agree

    However, How often and how far did Bosh lead the Raptors into the playoffs?
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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    He does sometimes tend to lull in the paint but he's a decent defender. averaged 1.4 blks last year, #17th in the league. he's more of a weakside blocker, meaning he blocks shots of offensive players who got away from their man. Averages 6 rebs last year which is not great but decent. i think extremely poor rebounder is a tag for the likes of boykins or maybe even POB. im not sure how his shooting % goes down when he puts the ball on the floor, when putting the ball on the floor means youre going to penetrate which means a higher chance of getting the ball in the hoop, therefore, high FG%. He may have the same move everytime, but it seems to be effective, he's averaged almost 17pts a game in 14 attempts, again, close to 50%.

    i think most of your assumptions are what they are, assumptions. if you look at games from last year, he mostly got his points off broken plays, meaning the ball got down to bosh, he got double teamed so he passes out to andrea. imagine if plays were actually made for andrea, he'd probably be scoring at least 20 a game.

    the thing with andrea is, he may not be a franchise player, but right now, he is. or at least he is considered to be. same situation with bosh when VC left.

    i think bargs is in the same situation now as back then with granger. granger was 7pts/5rebs then 13/5 his 1st 2 seasons with indiana. his third year he all of a sudden becomes the franchise player, he gets 19/6.
    That may be true in some peoples minds, fair enough.

    I don't happen to agree

    However, How often and how far did Bosh lead the Raptors into the playoffs?
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    Quote Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    Another retarded thread by the once respected buddah. ANdrea was matched up once one on one with peckovic. I wish that you and Tim would stop producing such useless garbage that borders on SLANDER. THat whole video is pick and rolls and someone else is guarding Pekovic. YOU TWO CLOWNS WOULD SLANDER ANDREA EVEN IF YOU DIDN"T GET PAID to do it
    I haven't started any of these threads. And I've said absolutely nothing that was untrue. And I haven't actually posted ANYTHING on here for a month. Apparently you just don't like people criticizing Bargnani, whether it's true or not. And I never once insulted you, so I'd appreciate you give me the same respect I give you.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    when putting the ball on the floor means youre going to penetrate which means a higher chance of getting the ball in the hoop, therefore, high FG%. He may have the same move everytime, but it seems to be effective, he's averaged almost 17pts a game in 14 attempts, again, close to 50%.
    Putting the ball on the floor doesn't automatically mean higher FG% when you can't finish for ****.

    I don't have the statistics to back up this claim but from my observations, his %tage does go down when he puts the ball on the floor (again, I could be wrong). When he drives and there's some opposition, he tries to finesses his finish instead of finishing strong, often missing the shot. His pump fake, one dribble pull up is ALWAYS short. His hook is not very efficient to say the least. His best option is the 3 pointer, which he never creates for himself.

    Bargnani is most efficient as a spot up shooter at the 3 point arc.
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    Putting the ball on the floor doesn't automatically mean higher FG% when you can't finish for ****.

    I don't have the statistics to back up this claim but from my observations, his %tage does go down when he puts the ball on the floor (again, I could be wrong). When he drives and there's some opposition, he tries to finesses his finish instead of finishing strong, often missing the shot. His pump fake, one dribble pull up is ALWAYS short. His hook is not very efficient to say the least. His best option is the 3 pointer, which he never creates for himself.

    Bargnani is most efficient as a spot up shooter at the 3 point arc.
    well, now that both you and Tim W. has said it, maybe you guys are correct.

    Based on people's observations here, maybe we should trade bargnani. dump the kid. maybe package him in a trade for jose.

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    Buddahfan wrote :This guy could probably still help the Raptors if he could stay healthy[

    He is only 46.

    Ah the memories, A real Euro big man, at least get him on the coaching staff to teach AB a thing or 2 about basketball IQ.

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    As most people have said, I don't think there's much chance he'll get traded. Just hoping we don't hype him up to be more than what he is. Ideally, I want him to somehow become the next coming of Nowitzki, that way the Raptors wouldn't suck, however I'm not liking the odds.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Against Israel? RFLMAO

    Italy is ranked 8th in FIBA
    Israel 25th

    One can only imagine how many points Bargs would score in 20 minutes against Liberia or The People's Republic of Congo

    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/rankMen.asp

    Uhm, you should check how fiba rankings work:

    (from fiba site)

    The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle.

    Whenever a new championship is played the oldest championship of that category drops out. The FIBA Ranking is then recalculated.


    Italy is 8th just because of past glories, pre-Bargs. A lot of players change in a national team withing the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle, lot of competitions (euro, worlds) and so on...In a couple of words: fiba rankings are as useless as fifa rankings.

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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Against Israel? RFLMAO

    Italy is ranked 8th in FIBA
    Israel 25th

    One can only imagine how many points Bargs would score in 20 minutes against Liberia or The People's Republic of Congo

    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/rankMen.asp
    well done buddahfan, you exposed your deep ignorance of international basket in just 4 lines!
    Do you even know who forms the rosters of Italy and Israel? Do you know that that ranking still reflects Italy silver medal at the olympics of 2004? Do you know that there is no player in the current roster that played in that olympics? Do you know that Israel has 6 players playing for major euroleagues teams and one in the NBA while Italy 2 NBA, no players in major European teams and 1 in the italian second league team? Do you even have any idea how hard is to play an official game in Israel?
    Do you actually care about posting any informed comment or is just your unexplainable obsession with Amir pushing you?
    P.s.: Bargnani scored 26 and single handedly beated Israel.

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    well done buddahfan, you exposed your deep ignorance of international basket in just 4 lines!
    Do you even know who forms the rosters of Italy and Israel? Do you know that that ranking still reflects Italy silver medal at the olympics of 2004? Do you know that there is no player in the current roster that played in that olympics? Do you know that Israel has 6 players playing for major euroleagues teams and one in the NBA while Italy 2 NBA, no players in major European teams and 1 in the italian second league team? Do you even have any idea how hard is to play an official game in Israel?
    Do you actually care about posting any informed comment or is just your unexplainable obsession with Amir pushing you?
    P.s.: Bargnani scored 26 and single handedly beated Israel.
    I don't think he's that far off. Israel hasnt had much success internationally. The have two top ten (9th and 7th) finishes in Eurobasket over the last 26 years or so...

    While Italy has finished in the top 10 every year for the last 45 years. (Except last year of course).

    But I will agree that Italy's team this past couple years is their weakest in quite some time.

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    Quote RecklessIndifference wrote: View Post
    I don't think he's that far off. Israel hasnt had much success internationally. The have two top ten (9th and 7th) finishes in Eurobasket over the last 26 years or so...

    While Italy has finished in the top 10 every year for the last 45 years. (Except last year of course).

    But I will agree that Italy's team this past couple years is their weakest in quite some time.
    Mh according to this line of reasoning the Pistons (3 titles in the last 21 years) should rape the Magic next year. Do you want to take a bet on that?

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    Mh according to this line of reasoning the Pistons (3 titles in the last 21 years) should rape the Magic next year. Do you want to take a bet on that?
    I think it would be more in the line's of 'will the piston's rape the clippers'... and I would be inclined to say 'maybe'.

    But comparing NBA teams and matchups to international teams and matchups is pretty irrelevant

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    Quote sixtyeight wrote: View Post
    Uhm, you should check how fiba rankings work:

    (from fiba site)

    The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle.

    Whenever a new championship is played the oldest championship of that category drops out. The FIBA Ranking is then recalculated.


    Italy is 8th just because of past glories, pre-Bargs. A lot of players change in a national team withing the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle, lot of competitions (euro, worlds) and so on...In a couple of words: fiba rankings are as useless as fifa rankings.
    So you are saying that Israel has improved their National team? RFLMAO
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