Mr. Carefoot's just prepping you for reality.
Mr. Carefoot's just prepping you for reality.
Last edited by sleepz; Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 03:21 PM.
Any poster here who says we should lose should be banned. This is a fan supporters site, how could you possibly endorse losing??? I pay my hard earned bucks to go see as many games a year as possible, and feed Rogers countless dollars for their new sports channels just to watch every game. I don't care if WE DO lose, but only if we try our heart out each game.
Anyone who supports losing is a loser, a born loser.
I think he mentioned he wants BC fired, which is another argument altogether considering his contract is up and if they re-sign him (maybe the Raps scrap and claw to an 8th or 9th place finish?) then we're looking at another 2-4 year run for BC, and I only speak for myself when I say that his possible re-signing is a dreadful thought for the future of this franchise.
I don't enjoy watching the Raps lose, however I look at the talent and roster make-up of this team and I envision a tough year for them. If they play hard and do well, thats cool, but if they lose 50+ I won't be surprised in the least and if they end up getting a top 3 pick, I will get over the year in a hurry, especially if BC is gone going into the 2011-2012 season.
the best centers he paired bosh with was bargs, a banged up j.o. rasho nesterovic, and jake voshkul.
the best wingmen on the team since bc was here were joey graham, jason kapono, carlos delfino, hedo turkoglu, and linus kleiza
overpaid for amir...
gave jose a $45 million over 5 years contract after he had 1 decent season in which jose didnt even start for most of the games or avg more than 30 min...
Jermaine O'neil had 2 years and over 40 million left on his contract. Indiana was desperate to get rid of him... in his last season with the pacers jermain averaged 13 n 6. now is this really a player that we should not only have to take on the bad contract but then also GIVE UP A 1st ROUND PICK (who happened to be Roy Hibbert, a defensive centre that we need)
Less than a year after acquiring J.O. we trade him to Miami, along WITH ANOTHER 1ST ROUND PICK, for marion and banks. now banks' had a contract that went past the 2010 free agent summer, and Miami was desperate to get rid of it... so did we really have to give up a 1st round pick for 2 months of shawn marion and we had to take the banks contract ?
what if bosh signed with houston or chicago.. we would never get that 1st round pick back.
BC traded 2 2nd round picks for carlos delfino... one of those 2nd round pick detroit used to draft jonas jerebko. a very cheap but very talented SF who can play defense. he average 10pts 6 rbds inhis rookie year and is 6'10.
he signed jason kapono a SF who cant play DEFENSE at 12:01am on the first day of free agency and gave him $24 million over 4 years.
if players are reluctant to sign in toronto because it's not in the USA, then our best method of acquiring good players would be through the draft. look at how happy derozan, davis, alibi, and even bosh and vince were when they were 19 and got picked by an nba team... so why are we giving away draft picks ?
also can you say that bc has a vision when in the same summer, he tries to acquire kleiza, barnes, diaw, barbosa, wright... it feels like he is just interested in floating above water and not really ever developing. he is only interested in getting players that will just get us by and we will be in 9-12 place all season.
without 2 time nba mvp steve nash on the court making everyone better, BC doesnt have a clue on how to put together a team that will go deep in the playoffs...
Edit: He also traded for TJ Ford then signed him to a deal that TJ is still enjoying today. I belive its between $8 and $9 million this year.
Last edited by vinnie_paz; Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 06:23 PM.
People seem to think that a year of development, of throwing the young players into the deep end to see how well they can swim, would somehow have these terrible consequences for the franchise. I just don't see it. Losing gets vilified as this thing to be avoided at all costs instead of a by-product of the opportunity to learn on the fly, to make mistakes and to grow, which is what a team full of young players with as-yet-untapped talent requires. This approach is incongruous with making a playoff push unless you have such an impressive collection of talent that you can't help it (see: Thunder). The Raps don't have this kind of talent, and they don't even know what they DO have in most of their young guys. In order to find out, they're going to try a variety of offensive and defensive schemes, lineups, plays, roles, etc.. A team with this much to learn about itself is going to have a VERY hard time putting it all together quickly enough to make the 8th seed.
As for the Pistons, two things: Firstly, put them in the western conference during that time frame and they'd have a fraction of their success. Secondly, just because Billups and Wallace weren't labeled as superstars doesn't mean they didn't impact the play of their team in the same way.
BC's only mistake was trying to build around Bosh to appease the Bosh ballwashing fans and MLSE. This whole strategy is why we had to endure JO, Turk, Solomon, Ukic, etc. BC did everything financially possible with trades, signings, etc to try and put some level of talent around our "false prophet" Bosh. Give the man a break, it was you Bosh ballwashers that forced his hand to make those moves every year.
Besides, have you noticed it is usually the same 4-5 teams that make it "deep" in the playoffs every year. It is not easy to build a contender, and what it takes is a LONG time, not an overnight fix, which is what BC tried to do to appease rupaul
its like if i said GM X came from toronto.. im not talking about toronto's history, im talking about GM x and where HE came from.
I know I've said this before but I'll say it again. With the current roster, we are going to win 20-25 games this year. That would have us picking between 2nd and 3rd overall, if the balls land the right way.
Recently, I had an epiphany. We might win less than 20 games.
So really, I don't care what attitude some fans have. We're headed to the lottery, no matter how hard you cheer.
I'm happy some fans are actually tired of drinking of BC's Koolaid and hype(I'm sure by now, the taste of that Koolaid will be bitter even for delusional Raptors fans). I'm also tired of this BC guy, I hope we can tab an assistant GM from San Antonio Spurs, OKC and Portland Trailblazers in that order if MLSE is cheap or Jerry West, Kevin Pritchard, Steve Kerr in that order if MLSE wants an experienced GM. I hope BC is not around in next year's draft if we have a Top 7 pick(I hope it is to get a PG) as he could screw it up somehow. The lesson learnt here is that if your dad is good in an endeavour, does not mean that you as the son will be as succesful in that same endeavour.
Also I think everyone knows that BC is the Babe Ruth of NBA GM's - willing to make every swing a home run attempt - but when you make the best signing in the history of the Modern NBA, you're allowed a few strikes...
Also I think Jerry gets more hype with age and people forget how many losing seasons he had between some of those home-run trades.... Really Jerry and Bryan have virtually identical GM styles... and quite similar results to-date (both struggled to get over the hump from elite teams to Dynasty's) - If anything Jerry has more clout with bringing the Diamondbacks to Arizona and keeping the Suns there than anything else...
When Tom Chambers dunks an NBA player gets their hops...
BC did everything he could to build around Bosh other than what has been previously mentioned by other posters, which was actually put some GOOD players around him. Bargnani is a dud of a teammate and is not a centre. When J. Graham or A Parker are your best swing options over 4 years you got personnel issues my man.
I agree it's not easy to build a contender, especially when your GM treats the locker room like a turnstile. But of course blame Bosh, cause it was all to appease him no?
Think about something for a second, if all BC's moves were in an attempt to appease a terrible player as you've pointed out, why would you want a GM running the show that is delusional? Bosh is not a franchise player in your opinion, yet BC tried to make him one and told everyone (media and fans) that he is "the corner stone of this franchise". He was wanted to max him out until he realized he couldn't and then tried to save some face and change his tune. Not making anything up here, this is all fact.
No one is riding Bosh's jock, cause HE'S GONE, but the haters still keep bringing up his name.lol
He's gone, good riddance no? What I most look forward to this year, is who are you gonna blame when BC's 'vision' goes up in flames? The ghost of Bosh???lol
BC's name is mud around the NBA.
Last edited by sleepz; Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 05:04 PM.
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