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    I'm sorry Vinnie, but making fun of Italy going out is not funny. I'm sorry but would you like it if I shoved it in your face that the US didn't make it (which will never happen). Even when you want to point out what you think, you gotta do it with class and integrity. So please fuck off. You're just like all those losers on Yahoo! during the World Cup in June. Thrashing all other teams until they lost.

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    Yeah, but what about Bargnani's place in a ranking of players who are the most effective even if they do not play in their position?

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    I'm sorry Vinnie, but making fun of Italy going out is not funny. I'm sorry but would you like it if I shoved it in your face that the US didn't make it (which will never happen). Even when you want to point out what you think, you gotta do it with class and integrity. So please fuck off. You're just like all those losers on Yahoo! during the World Cup in June. Thrashing all other teams until they lost.
    bro why don't you go change your tampon and learn how to read ? where did I make fun of the Italian national team ?

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    Even when you want to point out what you think, you gotta do it with class and integrity. So please fuck off.
    do you see anything wrong with this post ?

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    WHAT? I mean come on, Bargnani was almost picked to be in the Allstar game last year and many agreed if Lee wasn't chosen, then Bargs sure would be. But now he is 18th? Come on. He is at least top 10 if not top 5. Seriously
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    bargnani has to prove himself now

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    Cool down guys.

    I was surprised to see Bargnani crack the top 20. I think you have to realize this is an annual ranking, and very likely with Bargs as our best player this year, he's going to show up a lot higher next year, if anything because he'll get a lot more touches. Right now, based on last year and being one of the worst rebounding/defending centers in the league, and his inconsistent offense you can't blame them for putting him at 18. Were some guys put above him wrong? Maybe, but there's always going to be some head turners in these types of lists.

    Similarly, the comments on Weems and DeRozan. We may perceive them to be of higher value (if I'm not mistaken neither cracked the top 30 at their respective positions?) because we've seen the potential, but that's all it is -- potential. This is guard-rich league, you can't honestly think what Weems and Demar accomplished last year was enough for them to crack one of these types of lists?

    BDL has no reason to factor "potential" into this list. Someone pointed out John Wall as 14th with no minutes played. Honestly I think it's a fair assessment. Next year at this time when they put out the list again, Wall will easily crack the top 10, if not top 5. Similarly, you may see a guy like Irving show up in the top 20 next year.
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    Quote Arenick wrote: View Post
    WHAT? I mean come on, Bargnani was almost picked to be in the Allstar game last year and many agreed if Lee wasn't chosen, then Bargs sure would be. But now he is 18th? Come on. He is at least top 10 if not top 5. Seriously
    Do you have proof that Bargnani almost made the All-Star Game? And I can assure you that the only people who will think Bargnani is ranked too low in this list are certain Raptors fans. That should tell you something. I would be hard-pressed to name another NBA player who is more overrated by his own fanbase. Derrick Rose comes to mind as a close second.

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    Quote Scott Carefoot wrote: View Post
    Do you have proof that Bargnani almost made the All-Star Game? And I can assure you that the only people who will think Bargnani is ranked too low in this list are certain Raptors fans. That should tell you something. I would be hard-pressed to name another NBA player who is more overrated by his own fanbase. Derrick Rose comes to mind as a close second.
    Wow your way off.... Derrick Rose is the best pg in the East. To say his fan base overrates him is retarded. He's good, and when you have a good player you embrace him.

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    Wow your way off.... Derrick Rose is the best pg in the East. To say his fan base overrates him is retarded. He's good, and when you have a good player you embrace him.
    D-Rose is ranked correctly by Dwyer as the fifth-best PG in the NBA, after Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo and Steve Nash. Rose is horrible defensively while Rondo is the best defensive PG in the league. It's obvious that some fans (including Bargnani fans) only take scoring ability into account when they rank players.

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    Quote Scott Carefoot wrote: View Post
    D-Rose is ranked correctly by Dwyer as the fifth-best PG in the NBA, after Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo and Steve Nash. Rose is horrible defensively while Rondo is the best defensive PG in the league. It's obvious that some fans (including Bargnani fans) only take scoring ability into account when they rank players.
    Rose is ranked 5th best pg in the league, yet his fans overrate him? You make no sense get outta here. If you don't realize that Bargs was close to being an all-star then your a chump. Do some research if you have to, and get a clue.

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    Buddahfan what a fool you prove yourself to be over and over. " Of course they're right on Bargnani but not on all three or four of your boys especially the one who has never played more than 17 minutes per game but is the best all around player on the team right!"

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    I see nothing wrong with it since you resorted to a lower level by calling Bargs a punk ass, and all the other shit you spew. Are you even from Toronto? Are you a fan of this team or puresly a shit disturber?

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    Quote Nick wrote: View Post
    Rose is ranked 5th best pg in the league, yet his fans overrate him? You make no sense get outta here. If you don't realize that Bargs was close to being an all-star then your a chump. Do some research if you have to, and get a clue.
    I've debated with Bulls fans who believe he's a future MVP candidate. It's certainly possible that could happen, but he's not a Top 20 player now and that's a long way away from MVP. As for Bargnani almost being an All-Star, you wishing it to be the case does not make it so, insults aside. Bargnani could certainly get voted in by his rabid fans, but Allen Iverson was voted an All-Star by the fans last season so that doesn't prove anything. Get back to me when he makes one of the three All-NBA Teams at the end of a season.

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    do you see anything wrong with this post ?

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    yea im sure playing with the italian national team who use more zone than any other euro team is really gona help bargs learn to play man to man defense.

    did you enjoy that ass-whippin he got from the Montenegrins ? hahahaah

    he got dunked on and smacked around more than i've ever seen a player get. pecovic actually slapped the ball out of barg's hands and bargs stood there like the little punk that he is cuz he couldnt do nothin to stop it.

    The Italian team plays no more or less zone than any other team in Europe but regardless they still play man to man a significant amount of the time. Did you enjoy the rematch where he scored 34pts?

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    Is it just me, or is this board getting more like RealGM is supposedly like? There seems to be less and less intelligent conversation and more and more insults as people inexplicably get offended by someone criticizing a player they like. I don't know if it's because it's summer and school is out, but this seems to be the level of conversation lately....

    "[player x] sucks!"

    "[player x] is an all-star! Your [sic] an idiot!'

    And then if someone actually tries to bring facts and stats into a discussion to back up their argument, they're simply insulted personally.

    I fail to see the point of these types of conversations.

    And by the way, I don't completely agree with the rankings (Amare as the 3rd best PF?), but they aren't way off. Bargnani is an above average scorer, but simply doesn't do anything else well enough to be ranked very high. In a league that values big men who rebound and play defense more than score, Bargnani simply isn't going to compare with guys who do the little things to help a team win. I'm not sure whether his backers simply don't realize how important it is for a big man to rebound and defend, or don't care, but I see Bargnani as a similar player to Monta Ellis. Sure, Bargnani COULD score 25 ppg, just as Ellis did, but the question is, would you want him to? Neither player scores efficiently and neither player does really anything else noteworthy. Unfortunately for Bargnani, he plays a position where you pretty much HAVE TO do something else well. You can have a SG or SF who just score (which is why the article clearly states that he's really a SF- too bad he can't play that position). You can't have a big man who only scores, but is below average at nearly everything else. Especially if that big man does most of his damage from outside of the paint.

    Most of the arguments in favour of Bargnani being a top center come in the form of simply claiming he will be. He's certainly not better than Dwight Howard, Al Horford, Andrew Bogut, Chris Kaman, Yao Ming, Brook Lopez, Joakim Noah, Nene and Marc Gasol, all much better rebounders and defenders than Bargnani and guys who could legitmately be All-Stars this coming seaon. If healthy, both Andrew Bynum and Greg Oden are certainly better than Bargnani. That's eleven centers right there. And that doesn't include quasi centers like Amare, David Lee and Al Jefferson who sometimes play center but most likely will play mostly PF this season. And then you've got Okur, Kendrick Perkins, Okafor, Brendan Haywood and Marcus Camby, all which you could certainly make a very good argument that they are better than Bargnani. Sure, none of them have the offensive game that Bargnani does, but Bargnani is't even close to the rebounders or defenders that they are.

    If you want to say that Bargnani is one of the top 5 SCORING centers in the league, you've got a very strong argument. He could end up being THE highest scoring center in the NBA next season, in fact. He's not, however, a top ten center overall. He's simply not good enough in other areas of his game.

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    Quote Pizzaman wrote: View Post
    I see nothing wrong with it since you resorted to a lower level by calling Bargs a punk ass, and all the other shit you spew. Are you even from Toronto? Are you a fan of this team or puresly a shit disturber?
    I called him a punk not a punk ass - those are two totally different things.
    so besides not knowing anything about basketball ur illiterate too.

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    you didn't answer my question about whether you even like the team or are from here. As far as illiterate sorry but wo's a better typer on a blog does not make someone more literate. In your head You are allowed to spew all kinds of bs and insults about people but when someone else does it it's not right somehow. I wish you could get a chance to see Bargs in person somewhere ad call him a punk but you're probably not allowed to stay up after the game.
    It's like you use these posts to continually harp about the Bargs you hate, and how useless he is but you make assinine comments all the time and also show you watch the games through different glasses than most people here.

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    I agree with the guy above talking about the personal insults being dubm and a waste of time. Back it up with stats and such.

    Although the people that resort to that generally don't have stats to back it up.

    What was the on off stats for Bargnani this year? Offense Defense? I read somewhere basically he was a -4, with -6 on D +2 on O?. A negative performer like that and he is a top 5 center over all? He is a decent man on man defender of bigs, but an awful and unaware help defender. I am not sure how people can;t see that watching the game, and the stats back it up. He is a decent shooter/scorer, but do people really not think his efficiency (which had been going up, I believe, check his %'s though.) Since he is not the best at dribbling, keeps his head down, and is generally not a good passser off the dribble at all. (decent passer when he can see the play though. )

    That does not even touch on his rebounding %'s which have been abysmal every year for a center or power forward.

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