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    Isn't beating Spain without Pau Gasol significantly less of an accomplishment?

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    Is it juss me, or does spain look a lil lost at times with Rubio running the point majority of minutes..... i think they miss Calderon -_-

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    Quote Blasterfi9 wrote: View Post
    Is it juss me, or does spain look a lil lost at times with Rubio running the point majority of minutes..... i think they miss Calderon -_-
    I didn't see the game, but I do think that if the Raptors trade Calderon for any player other than a superior PG Raptors fans will miss Calderon.
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    Where's all the idiots who say that's not real basketball because it's not NBA? Where are all the Kleiza bashers that say he's slow and soft cause he's a Euro?
    Where's all the guys who said Weems should start instead of Kleiza?
    Where's all the B.C. bashers on how B.C. screwed up getting this soft guy who will not make us better?
    Where's the B.C. bashers who do not give him credit for signing Turk to continue to try and build for RuPaul, and then dumping him after one year when most thought the bum was untradeable for Barbosa who's way better, and signing Kleiza who is also way better than Turdolou?

    +1....funny how no one is bashing Kleiza the way they shit on Bargs' performances

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    Quote Pizzaman wrote: View Post
    Where's all the idiots who say that's not real basketball because it's not NBA? Where are all the Kleiza bashers that say he's slow and soft cause he's a Euro?
    Where's all the guys who said Weems should start instead of Kleiza?
    Where's all the B.C. bashers on how B.C. screwed up getting this soft guy who will not make us better?
    Where's the B.C. bashers who do not give him credit for signing Turk to continue to try and build for RuPaul, and then dumping him after one year when most thought the bum was untradeable for Barbosa who's way better, and signing Kleiza who is also way better than Turdolou?
    wouldnt these be questions to ask i dont maybe after kleiza consistently plays well for the raps AGAINST REAL NBA PLAYERS ??

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    Quote johnp wrote: View Post
    +1....funny how no one is bashing Kleiza the way they shit on Bargs' performances
    1. Bargnani is a #1 overall pick. - Kleiza is a MLE sign
    2. Bargnani has played four seasons for the Raptors so Raptors fan know what his good and bad points are
    Kleiza has yet to play for the Raptors.

    Wait until Arase throws Kleiza "under the bus" which he will and maybe even opening night. Then people will criticize him more.
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    Quote Pizzaman wrote: View Post
    Where's all the idiots who say that's not real basketball because it's not NBA? Where are all the Kleiza bashers that say he's slow and soft cause he's a Euro?
    Where's all the guys who said Weems should start instead of Kleiza?
    Where's all the B.C. bashers on how B.C. screwed up getting this soft guy who will not make us better?
    Where's the B.C. bashers who do not give him credit for signing Turk to continue to try and build for RuPaul, and then dumping him after one year when most thought the bum was untradeable for Barbosa who's way better, and signing Kleiza who is also way better than Turdolou?
    I like your passion, but don't put too much stock in these international tournaments. Remember how Sarunas Jasikevicius was the best point guard at the worlds one summer? And Spanoullis for Greece? And how Rudy Fernandez looked like a stud at the Olympics dunking over D12? Trying to extrapolate these games to the NBA is like comparing apples and bowling balls.

    That said, I'd rather have Kleiza playing great than not, if for nothing else but to build his confidence. Although, he doesn't lack confidence, and is a bit cocky, if anything. LK is a very streaky shooter, so please remember to post again after he shoots the Raps out of a few games this season. I agree he is not soft, but he is slow for a SF.

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    Agreed. Judging FIBA 2010 to guage what's going to happen next year in the NBA is not far off summer league, or saying what happened lat year in the NCAA tournament is what is going to happen next year in the pros...

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    This summer: derozan & weems were solid; bargnani was good, sometimes very good; kleiza and barbosa are playing well. Sure, summer league, fiba basketball, not NBA. But I agree with the idea (Buddahfan posted it somewhere) that in 2010-1011 we might be not bad at all.

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    Hope Kleiza can do this for us aswell. His scoring and strength will help, plus he's the only player with true play-off experience (Denver, Olympiakos and National team). But I don't expect too much from him, remember Turk was supposed to be what Kleiza is now, but I am positive he'll be better, or atleast have a better presence on the team.

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    Hope Kleiza can do this for us aswell. His scoring and strength will help, plus he's the only player with true play-off experience (Denver, Olympiakos and National team). But I don't expect too much from him, remember Turk was supposed to be what Kleiza is now, but I am positive he'll be better, or atleast have a better presence on the team.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    Yes those are words I love to read/hear together.

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    Quote vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    wouldnt these be questions to ask i dont maybe after kleiza consistently plays well for the raps AGAINST REAL NBA PLAYERS ??
    Yes but I believe he will. I have wanted Kleiza for a couple of years now, and wanted him over Turk. I believe he's better than Turk at both ends of the floor and he is a big improvement over what we saw at that position last year from eith Turk or Weems. Let the season begin!

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    I like your passion, but don't put too much stock in these international tournaments. Remember how Sarunas Jasikevicius was the best point guard at the worlds one summer? And Spanoullis for Greece? And how Rudy Fernandez looked like a stud at the Olympics dunking over D12? Trying to extrapolate these games to the NBA is like comparing apples and bowling balls.

    That said, I'd rather have Kleiza playing great than not, if for nothing else but to build his confidence. Although, he doesn't lack confidence, and is a bit cocky, if anything. LK is a very streaky shooter, so please remember to post again after he shoots the Raps out of a few games this season. I agree he is not soft, but he is slow for a SF.
    It's not that I put a ton of stock in these games, but they are still games against real competition with guys playing hard for their countries. There was a ton of talk and hype about how the Young Gunz played in the summer league which is bush league compared to the games Kleiza is playing in. I just wanted to make a point. I'm not saying Kleiza is an all star but the addition of him and Barbosa give us much more skill, scoring and encouragement than what we had last year. I believe the Raps will win more games than most people here think they will. I know he will have his bad games as will Barbosa but there are some good young players under contract here for the next few years and B.C. has options over the next couple to add key pieces to this team.

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    Quote Pizzaman wrote: View Post
    Yes but I believe he will. I have wanted Kleiza for a couple of years now, and wanted him over Turk. I believe he's better than Turk at both ends of the floor and he is a big improvement over what we saw at that position last year from eith Turk or Weems. Let the season begin!
    Turk was really good in 08. He might have been shit with us, but he was great in Orlando.

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    Turk was really good in 08. He might have been shit with us, but he was great in Orlando.
    He played great in Orlando because the team moved the ball around more, he got his touches, he got way more open looks because they move the ball and because Howard demands doubles, and knows how to pass out, where Bosh could not pass and held the ball too long for Turk to get involved. That said Turk is also a lazy fat slow prick who in Orlando got shit nightly from Van Gundy even when he was playing well, and then Triano treats him like a baby. Turk is the kind of player that needs open looks, a team that passes the ball and a coach that busts his balls all the time.

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    Quote Pizzaman wrote: View Post
    He played great in Orlando because the team moved the ball around more, he got his touches, he got way more open looks because they move the ball and because Howard demands doubles, and knows how to pass out, where Bosh could not pass and held the ball too long for Turk to get involved.
    Are you kidding? Dwight Howard is far worse at managing and passing out of double teams than Bosh. The guy has never even averaged over two assists in his career, and almost doubles up that number in turnovers.

    Hedo played better in Orlando because he played point forward, whereas in Toronto, he was largely a spot up shooter. Do you even watch the games? Every post you make misses the mark by a mile.

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    So you must be the resident EXPERT then and you make the MARK?
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    hedo turkoglu.
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    Quote Brasky wrote: View Post
    Are you kidding? Dwight Howard is far worse at managing and passing out of double teams than Bosh. The guy has never even averaged over two assists in his career, and almost doubles up that number in turnovers.

    Hedo played better in Orlando because he played point forward, whereas in Toronto, he was largely a spot up shooter. Do you even watch the games? Every post you make misses the mark by a mile.
    I would put Howard's ability to pass out out of a double team on the same level as Reggie's ability to pass when he unguarded
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