Whose ROSTER Is Better: Raps vs Kings?

[vinnie_paz]

Sacramento Kings

PG - Beno Udrih 28
SG - Tyreke Evans 20
SF - Omri Casspi 22
PF - Jason Thompson 24
C - DeMarcus Cousins 20

06 - Pooh Jeter 26
07 - Donte Green 22
08 - Antoine Wright 26
09 - Carl landry 26
10 - Samuel Dalembert 29

11 - Ime Udoka 33
12 - Hassan Whiteside 21



Toronto Raptors

Raps

PG - Jarrett Jack 26
SG - Demar Derozan 21
SF - Leinus Kleiza 25 / Sonny Weems 24
PF - Amir Johnson 23
C - Andrea Bargnani 24

06 - Jose Calderon 28
07 - Leandro Barbosa 27
08 - Julian Wright 23
09 - Ed Davis 21
10 - David Anderson 30

11 - Reggie Evans 30
12 - Marcus Banks 28

[Tim W.]

Well, a lot depends on how well Cousins plays. He's certainly got the talent to be the best rookie in the draft, but who knows. If he plays as well as he can, Sacramento most definitely has a better roster.

I'm not as high on Evans as some. I think he's a ball dominating SG who probably doesn't look nearly as good on a more talented team. I liken him to Damon Stoudemire. When Stoudemire wasn't allowed to completely dominate the ball, his value decreased. Unfortunately, you're not going to win a whole lot of games with him dominating the ball like he did in Toronto. He simply didn't score efficiently enough and turned the ball over too much.

Casspi is probably an underrated player who, if you put him on the Raptors squad, might be the best player right now. I don't think he's got as high a ceiling as guys like DeRozan, but he's certainly someone I can see starting on a contender.

The combination of Jason Thompson and Carl Landry is a good defense-offense. Still, I'd rather have the Raptors PFs.

[Introcollapse]

Uh, the Kings by a long shot. A seemingly legit franchise player in Evans, a probable star in Cousins, a potential defensive menace in Whiteside (once Dalembert is gone), gritty defender/shooter in Casspi, the ever so versatile Jason Thompson, and let's not forget the consistent Carl Landry. The team is built for the future, and it may even have some OKC-type momentum. A 40-win season wouldn't surprise me THAT much.

All the Raps have is a hopeful star in DeRozan, a "reached my peak" Sonny Weems, a temporary point guard in Jack, a broken point guard in Jose, a potential duo of gritty defenders in Davis and Wright, a washed up Barbosa, and the overrated Amir Johnson.

I don't know man. Talk to me in 2-3 years, when Jose's gone and we're 100% in the rebuilding mode.

[vinnie_paz]

Uh, the Kings by a long shot. A seemingly legit franchise player in Evans, a probable star in Cousins, a potential defensive menace in Whiteside (once Dalembert is gone), gritty defender/shooter in Casspi, the ever so versatile Jason Thompson, and let's not forget the consistent Carl Landry. The team is built for the future, and it may even have some OKC-type momentum. A 40-win season wouldn't surprise me THAT much.

All the Raps have is a hopeful star in DeRozan, a "reached my peak" Sonny Weems, a temporary point guard in Jack, a broken point guard in Jose, a potential duo of gritty defenders in Davis and Wright, a washed up Barbosa, and the overrated Amir Johnson.

I don't know man. Talk to me in 2-3 years, when Jose's gone and we're 100% in the rebuilding mode.

donte green is nice too... he's 6'11 but has handles like a sg or sf... he can shoot and is only 22.

[Tim W.]

Ya, actually, I agree. The Kings, overall, do have a much better roster, whether or not Cousins plays up to his ability (having Dalembert and Whiteside behind him. The Raptors are much better at PG, about even at the PF position, but lose out everywhere else, including the bench. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Kings win 40, but I think somewhere around 35 is more likely. They're still too young.

[matt]

Ya, actually, I agree. The Kings, overall, do have a much better roster, whether or not Cousins plays up to his ability (having Dalembert and Whiteside behind him. The Raptors are much better at PG, about even at the PF position, but lose out everywhere else, including the bench. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Kings win 40, but I think somewhere around 35 is more likely. They're still too young.

I think it has more to do with the conference that they are in, but if you merge the east and the west, and you take the top 16 as playoff seeds then you definitely have the kings in the mix, and that makes them way better than us.
Remember they have Evans, a legitimate franchise player and future superstar in my opinion. If Cousins even slightly reaches his expectations this season and Dalembert fits in well this is a team that could possibly win 40 games, personally I'd be shocked if they do not improve and become the next " O.K. Thunder".

[Hotshot]

What happen to Sonny Weems?! It seems that some people already forgot about him for some reason.

Sacramento already had 25 wins playing together under the same circumstances last season so they should already be stronger with Evans and Casspi second season and first year Demarcus Cousins should give them an immediate boast. For that reason I give a slight edge to Sacramento over the Raptors.

[pistol pete]

Udrih is lousy. Jack and Calderon aren't great, but surely not lousy. And with a lousy PG the Kings aren't going anywhere.

[JoePanini]

Kings by quite a bit. Thing is that they don't have a point guard, Tyreke usually brings the ball up but they need a legit PG if they ever want to win consistently. But overall their team is real good, very underrated starting line-up. Thompson is a legit 15 10 guy. Tyreke might have had a fluke year last year, but I think he can still put up those numbers (20-5-5). Casspi is a great defender and a very underrated shooter... Cousins could become one of the best offensive big men and one of the best rebounders in a few years, obviously it's up to him and how he "conducts" himself...

[Macc]

LOL, and Raptors fans overrate our players? What is this?

Cousins hasn't played in 1 NBA game and he's gunna have a huge impact? Thompson and Caaspi havn't proven anything in my opinion. And Tyreke Evans was the only player on the team who could score and handle the ball. Obviously he has to put up some big numbers. And the rest of their roster? lol. The only player in their starting line-up i see with an advantage is Tyreke and we don't know how much DeRozan has improved, so I'm waiting to see that.

If you'd watch the Kings you'd see how much flaws Tyreke has (turnovers are one example) and the team as a whole. No point guard, no consistent wing presence, and the center position in the hands of Cousins. A rookie playing 35 minutes a game isn't as great as you might think, especially at that position. And he already has been labeled immature if that means anything.

Raptors > Kings

[sixtyeight]

I'm not as high on Evans as some. I think he's a ball dominating SG who probably doesn't look nearly as good on a more talented team. I liken him to Damon Stoudemire. When Stoudemire wasn't allowed to completely dominate the ball, his value decreased. Unfortunately, you're not going to win a whole lot of games with him dominating the ball like he did in Toronto. He simply didn't score efficiently enough and turned the ball over too much.

+1. I've been looking for a good comparison for a while, damon works. Final judgement in a couple of years

[vinnie_paz]

What happen to Sonny Weems?! It seems that some people already forgot about him for some reason.

Sacramento already had 25 wins playing together under the same circumstances last season so they should already be stronger with Evans and Casspi second season and first year Demarcus Cousins should give them an immediate boast. For that reason I give a slight edge to Sacramento over the Raptors.

oh shit you're right... how could i have forgotten sonny... thanks.

[vinnie_paz]

LOL, and Raptors fans overrate our players? What is this?

Cousins hasn't played in 1 NBA game and he's gunna have a huge impact? Thompson and Caaspi havn't proven anything in my opinion. And Tyreke Evans was the only player on the team who could score and handle the ball. Obviously he has to put up some big numbers. And the rest of their roster? lol. The only player in their starting line-up i see with an advantage is Tyreke and we don't know how much DeRozan has improved, so I'm waiting to see that.

If you'd watch the Kings you'd see how much flaws Tyreke has (turnovers are one example) and the team as a whole. No point guard, no consistent wing presence, and the center position in the hands of Cousins. A rookie playing 35 minutes a game isn't as great as you might think, especially at that position. And he already has been labeled immature if that means anything.

Raptors > Kings

its not just for the next season... it's which roster is better long-term... and no wing presence ? and i dont you know anything about jason thompson.

[Eze]

As a Kings fan, I'll update this thread so it's a bit more accurate. lol

Dalembert will be the starting center, at least at the start of the year. I'd venture to say Cousins (who will play some center) might play more power forward even. Jason Thompson plays much more effective at the center position, so, they'll all rotate with Landry being the primary PF. Really wouldn't shock me to see Cousins and Landry split the majority of minutes at PF and have Thompson back up Dalembert, with mixing and matching at the appropriate times.

As for Evans, he's no Damon, IMO. Skill set wise, they're different players. Size/strength wise, it's two totally different things. I'm not sure how they're really all that comparable in general, other than both players stellar statistical rookie seasons. Seems like trying to compare an apple to an orange.

As for Udrih, Doc will tell you have much I loathe the guy, but he was actually incredibly solid last season, as opposed to his 2009 campaign which was pure trash. The problem with Udrih is you never know which one you're going to get. Will you get the 2010/2008 version? Or will you get the 09 version? He says he was injured in 09, but, really...you can only pull your vagina so many times.

Raps and Kings both have some nice young talent and lots of questions still to be answered, IMO.

I love DD...think he's going to be a handful this year. Have a Kevin Martin like emergence. And if AB is used properly, he can be an extremely effective player. Barbosa should really be a nice addition too. I hated watching him butt-ram the Kings when he was with the Suns. The worst thing for the Raps is being stuck in the East which seems to get stronger by the day almost.

Either way, both squads have some nice talent...and considering what the Raps went through, losing Bosh for nothing, they're not in an awful position which most teams would be (say, like, Cleveland?).

[Tim W.]

LOL, and Raptors fans overrate our players? What is this?

Cousins hasn't played in 1 NBA game and he's gunna have a huge impact? Thompson and Caaspi havn't proven anything in my opinion. And Tyreke Evans was the only player on the team who could score and handle the ball. Obviously he has to put up some big numbers. And the rest of their roster? lol. The only player in their starting line-up i see with an advantage is Tyreke and we don't know how much DeRozan has improved, so I'm waiting to see that.

If you'd watch the Kings you'd see how much flaws Tyreke has (turnovers are one example) and the team as a whole. No point guard, no consistent wing presence, and the center position in the hands of Cousins. A rookie playing 35 minutes a game isn't as great as you might think, especially at that position. And he already has been labeled immature if that means anything.

Raptors > Kings

No, Cousins, Thompson and Casspi haven't proven anything. Of course neither have any of the Raptor players, so I'm not sure your point. You think Amir Johnson and Ed Davis have proven more than Jason Thompson and Carl Landry? Together, they averaged 30 ppg and 15 rpg. And even if Cousins doesn't play up to his abilities, they still have Dalembert, who has the ability (and has in the past) to average a double-double. The only Raptor small forward that has ever averaged double figures in scoring last season is Kleiza, and he didn't even play in the NBA last season. Casspi averaged 10.3 ppg and 4.5 rpg in just 25 mpg. At best, the Raptors and Kings are even at that position.

The only position, including the bench, the Raptors have a clear advantage over the Kings at is PG. No one is saying they're a great team, but they certainly have more talent than the Raptors at the moment.