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    How does the current starting 5 of the raps stack up to the best in franchise history?

    Anybody wanna do an analysis with me for each playing position?

    C = Bargnani vs. Antonio Davis
    PF = Amir vs. Bosh
    SF = Kleiza vs. Jalen Rose
    SG = Demar vs. VC
    PG = Calderon vs. Alvin Williams

    Bargs, Kleiza and Jose definitely have the potential to overtake their counterparts, not sure about Amir and Demar. Demar has loads of potential but i dont think he'll ever be as good as VC was. Same with Amir.

    Now the "best in franchise history" are up for debate, but these are who i consider as such.

    Do you think Bargs and Demar will be able to break the records Bosh and VC accomplished?

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    How does the current starting 5 of the raps stack up to the best in franchise history?

    Anybody wanna do an analysis with me for each playing position?

    C = Bargnani vs. Antonio Davis
    PF = Amir vs. Bosh
    SF = Kleiza vs. Jalen Rose
    SG = Demar vs. VC
    PG = Calderon vs. Alvin Williams

    Bargs, Kleiza and Jose definitely have the potential to overtake their counterparts, not sure about Amir and Demar. Demar has loads of potential but i dont think he'll ever be as good as VC was. Same with Amir.

    Now the "best in franchise history" are up for debate, but these are who i consider as such.

    Do you think Bargs and Demar will be able to break the records Bosh and VC accomplished?
    If Bargnani plays 10 years with the Raps and stays as "franchise player" then I think he can definitely break ALL of Bosh's records (apart from free throws).

    DD will never be VC. So yeah...

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    How does the current starting 5 of the raps stack up to the best in franchise history?

    Anybody wanna do an analysis with me for each playing position?

    C = Bargnani vs. Antonio Davis
    PF = Amir vs. Bosh
    SF = Kleiza vs. Jalen Rose
    SG = Demar vs. VC
    PG = Calderon vs. Alvin Williams

    Bargs, Kleiza and Jose definitely have the potential to overtake their counterparts, not sure about Amir and Demar. Demar has loads of potential but i dont think he'll ever be as good as VC was. Same with Amir.

    Now the "best in franchise history" are up for debate, but these are who i consider as such.

    Do you think Bargs and Demar will be able to break the records Bosh and VC accomplished?
    RFLMAO.

    This is pretty funny.
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    Quote Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    RFLMAO.

    This is pretty funny.
    enlighten me.

    "LOL! After Today's Game Maybe Amir Should Have Been Chosen To Team USA " - this may be funnier

    "PF - Johnson (6pts per game) vs J. Green (15 pts per game) - Two young athletic guys who can run the court and defend. Green relies a lot on the three point shot for his offense. Johnson relies more on the pick and roll and post up game for his offense - Slight edge to the Johnson because he is a lot more efficient on offense" - or this

    "This Mean Anything? - Amir Tweets Asking What Fans Think of Anthony Becoming A Raptor" - i think this would be the best.
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    If Bargnani plays 10 years with the Raps and stays as "franchise player" then I think he can definitely break ALL of Bosh's records (apart from free throws).

    DD will never be VC. So yeah...
    Why will Bargnani break Bosh's records but DeRozan not break Vince's?

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    enlighten me.

    "LOL! After Today's Game Maybe Amir Should Have Been Chosen To Team USA " - this may be funnier

    "PF - Johnson (6pts per game) vs J. Green (15 pts per game) - Two young athletic guys who can run the court and defend. Green relies a lot on the three point shot for his offense. Johnson relies more on the pick and roll and post up game for his offense - Slight edge to the Johnson because he is a lot more efficient on offense" - or this

    "This Mean Anything? - Amir Tweets Asking What Fans Think of Anthony Becoming A Raptor" - i think this would be the best.
    It is just too funny.

    The new has never ever played one game together, so how can you compare?

    Only 26? more days until camp opens. Thank goodness
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    It is just too funny.

    The new has never ever played one game together, so how can you compare?

    Only 26? more days until camp opens. Thank goodness
    common buddha, you know thats not a valid reason.
    i was actually hoping youd throw in a couple of stats to compare them at their stages of their careers
    sorry bout the sarcastic repost, just found it offensive you saying my post was funny without stating a reason
    dont let me add you to the likes of vinnie, sirchilly and ovrproof! hahahaha

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    common buddha, you know thats not a valid reason.
    i was actually hoping youd throw in a couple of stats to compare them at their stages of their careers
    sorry bout the sarcastic repost, just found it offensive you saying my post was funny without stating a reason
    dont let me add you to the likes of vinnie, sirchilly and ovrproof! hahahaha
    Aren't you ready for the 10-11 season to begin?

    I want to see 10-11 stats.

    Don't you?
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    Aren't you ready for the 10-11 season to begin?

    I want to see 10-11 stats.

    Don't you?
    haha no man. im still dwelling on the past!

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    haha no man. im still dwelling on the past!
    I like this kind of sheet



    So I guess I will always dwell in the past
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    I like this kind of sheet



    So I guess I will always dwell in the past
    thats beautiful man.

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    Why will Bargnani break Bosh's records but DeRozan not break Vince's?
    I said if Bargs plays his entire career, and I don't see him averaging under 15 ppg until he reaches his 30s. On the other hand I don't see DD ever getting alot passed 15 ppg..

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    I said if Bargs plays his entire career, and I don't see him averaging under 15 ppg until he reaches his 30s. On the other hand I don't see DD ever getting alot passed 15 ppg..
    Personally, I see DeRozan having more potential as a scorer than Bargnani, because of his aggressiveness and ability to get to the line. Great scorers need to be able to get to the line at a high rate in order to be consistent. It's not how many ways you can score, it's how often you do it.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Personally, I see DeRozan having more potential as a scorer than Bargnani, because of his aggressiveness and ability to get to the line. Great scorers need to be able to get to the line at a high rate in order to be consistent. It's not how many ways you can score, it's how often you do it.
    I don't see it. You can't score only on dunks. But if he works on his shot, then yeah. But I think he'll never have the mid range jumper Vince had. Or all his offensive moves actually. But, I see DD and Kleiza leading the team in free throws next year

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    I don't see it. You can't score only on dunks. But if he works on his shot, then yeah. But I think he'll never have the mid range jumper Vince had. Or all his offensive moves actually. But, I see DD and Kleiza leading the team in free throws next year
    I think DeRozan's offensive game in a couple of seasons from now will be a lot more complete than many now think it will be.

    DeRozan has definitely improved his range since his high school days, even since his one season at USC. Amazingly enough he shot only .167 on threes at USC. That of course is with the arc being a few feet closer in the NCAA than in the NBA.

    He then shot .250 on limited opportunities as a rookie in 09-10
    He then shot .400 on only 5 shots in the LVSL. I expect him to average about one three point shot a game in 10-11 and shoot north of .300. How much north of it?

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    I think DeRozan's offensive game in a couple of seasons from now will be a lot more complete than many now think it will be.

    DeRozan has definitely improved his range since his high school days, even since his one season at USC. Amazingly enough he shot only .167 on threes at USC. That of course is with the arc being a few feet closer in the NCAA than in the NBA.

    He then shot .250 on limited opportunities as a rookie in 09-10
    He then shot .400 on only 5 shots in the LVSL. I expect him to average about one three point shot a game in 10-11 and shoot north of .300. How much north of it?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player...playerId=41016
    I see him shooting just around 30% not more... But I think more than his three point shooting, he needs to improve his mid-range game. Next year there are going to be ALOT of free jumpers just inside the three point line because one of our biggest weapons is the kick-out... So, if he can consistently hit his mid range jumpers, Bargnani will rack up assists and DD will get more points WEEEEEE

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    I see him shooting just around 30% not more... But I think more than his three point shooting, he needs to improve his mid-range game. Next year there are going to be ALOT of free jumpers just inside the three point line because one of our biggest weapons is the kick-out... So, if he can consistently hit his mid range jumpers, Bargnani will rack up assists and DD will get more points WEEEEEE
    I think we will see a different type of offense in 10-11 with a lot more motion in addition to seeing more run outs.

    I do agree that he needs to improve his handles. Maybe he should do some of those high school dribbling drills that Amir is doing

    Then again maybe he is. Don't know if he is or not. He hasn't posted a video on it or tweeted about it.
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    I don't see it. You can't score only on dunks. But if he works on his shot, then yeah. But I think he'll never have the mid range jumper Vince had. Or all his offensive moves actually. But, I see DD and Kleiza leading the team in free throws next year
    DeRozan's got a very good mid range game right now. That was one of his big strengths at USC. And he's got a knack for getting his shot off, which is something you can't teach. I think he's going to be more of a Dwayne Wade type of scorer rather a Vince type (no, I am not saying he will be a Dwayne Wade type player, I am just comparing how he scores). And he's a gym rat who seems to constantly work on his game, so I'm guessing he'll improve his range and his handles every year.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    DeRozan's got a very good mid range game right now. That was one of his big strengths at USC. And he's got a knack for getting his shot off, which is something you can't teach. I think he's going to be more of a Dwayne Wade type of scorer rather a Vince type (no, I am not saying he will be a Dwayne Wade type player, I am just comparing how he scores). And he's a gym rat who seems to constantly work on his game, so I'm guessing he'll improve his range and his handles every year.
    Actually I made that same comparison a few days ago, about DWade. Yeah, he could definitely adapt that kind of play (obviously won't ever average 30 5 7 2 1). I don't think his mid range is very good, someone on this forum (not sure who) said Kleiza had no mid range game, when his is ALOT better and reliable than DDs. But I think we are all up for a surprise from the whole Raps team. DD was definitely a great pick, I used to watch him only because of Hackett, who is an Italian who played in USC with DD. And I was really happy we drafted him, but I still don't think he'll get alot passed 15 ppg... I don't know why, gut feeling I guess. But I hope he does

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    DeRozan's got a very good mid range game right now. That was one of his big strengths at USC. And he's got a knack for getting his shot off, which is something you can't teach. I think he's going to be more of a Dwayne Wade type of scorer rather a Vince type (no, I am not saying he will be a Dwayne Wade type player, I am just comparing how he scores). And he's a gym rat who seems to constantly work on his game, so I'm guessing he'll improve his range and his handles every year.
    Actually I made that same comparison a few days ago, about DWade. Yeah, he could definitely adapt that kind of play (obviously won't ever average 30 5 7 2 1). I don't think his mid range is very good, someone on this forum (not sure who) said Kleiza had no mid range game, when his is ALOT better and reliable than DDs. But I think we are all up for a surprise from the whole Raps team. DD was definitely a great pick, I used to watch him only because of Hackett, who is an Italian who played in USC with DD. And I was really happy we drafted him, but I still don't think he'll get alot passed 15 ppg... I don't know why, gut feeling I guess. But I hope he does

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