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    Quote Priest wrote: View Post
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    LOL, yeah because Ed Davis was going to be the deciding factor this year between mediocrity and success.

    My thoughts on all this besides the standard "this sucks" and "what was Ed thinking?" is that Julian Wright and Amir Johnson couldn't have dreamed up better situations for themselves coming into this season. Amir is now the undisputed starter no matter how injured Ed really is and Julian is set to get a real shot at PT at a positions he's shown to be very competent at playing. This is it for Wright, this is the break he wanted, here's his career deciding year, I think.
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    Under these circumstances, the org. should sign off on the location and have a trainer attend just in case. It's strange but I havent seen an eyewitness account of how the injury actually occurred....and there must have been many there. C'mon Buddahman use your sources. Surely yours are better than Smith's who is probably clamming up on Raptors orders.
    I will rely on Weems exclusion of Amir's name in the tweet and just my history of being a fan of his to guess that Amir may not have been and played. Notice I said "don't think" which means that in addition to Weems tweet I want a second what I consider reliable opinion before I will say that Amir played in that game like Smith did. Smith by the way that he wrote clearly indicated that Amir was definitely there.

    Again my position on the whole thing is that unless some activity is specifically prohibited in the contract the player should be allowed to do it.

    However, I don't think that playing in these types of scrimmages a wise thing for the player to do it.

    So yes, the player can do it if allowed by contract, but no a player should not do it because in my opinion the risk of injury and financial harm to both the player and the team outweighs any positive financial gain resulting from the players playing in this type of situation.
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    LOL, yeah because Ed Davis was going to be the deciding factor this year between mediocrity and success.

    My thoughts on all this besides the standard "this sucks" and "what was Ed thinking?" is that Julian Wright and Amir Johnson couldn't have dreamed up better situations for themselves coming into this season. Amir is now the undisputed starter no matter how injured Ed really is and Julian is set to get a real shot at PT at a positions he's shown to be very competent at playing. This is it for Wright, this is the break he wanted, here's his career deciding year, I think.
    I was thinking about what happened and how it may affect Amir. I do agree with you that it will give him the starting job.

    Then I got to thinking about Amir and Karma

    When Amir played in Detroit the kid could not catch a break with respect to playing time.

    1. First two seasons the Pistons had so much depth up front that Johnson only played 11 games for the Pistons those two seasons and about 40 or so as I recall in the D-League.

    2. Third season 07-08 he was told by Saunders that he could expect some solid rotation minutes. Everything went great during the pre-season until the last game during which Amir badly twisted one of ankles when he stepped on Jarvis Hayes who was then a teammate of Amis. As a result he never really got back to 100% until January. Then in January he gets some serious minutes with the second unit then newly named "Zoo Crew" . He plays really good in Jan-Mar. The Pistons then went out and signed Theo Ratliff for playoff experience. Amir lost his spot on the second unit to Ratliff and basically that was that. No minutes to speak of in the playoffs.

    3. 08-09 Dumars wanted the Pistons to start Amir. Amir starts in pre-season and things go well. First two games of the season and with Billups still there things went well. Then the Pistons traded Billups for Iverson and that began the worst year of Amir's professional career because Iverson would never pass him the ball whereas Billups was. As a result Amir's went into what appeared to be a sadness and as a result played so badly that Curry removed him from the starting slot. Things even got worse from there so by the end of the season Amir was basically glued to the bench with a lot of DND/CDs

    So all four seasons with the Pistons he just couldn't catch a break even though they kept moving him up the depth chart.

    Then in the summer of '09 Amir was traded by the Pistons to the Bucks. That is when Amir's karma did a complete 180 degree turn

    1. Amir got traded to the Raptors
    2. Then in last-season's training camp after it was pretty well decided that Reggie was going to back up Bosh, Reggie incurred the same basic type of ankle injury that Amir himself hand incurred with the Pistons. Karma payback time. So now Amir gets a chance to play as the season goes on and Reggie remains out Amir's game starts to get better.
    3. Amir would have finished the season as a bench player. However, Bosh got hurt and Amir got to start for four games. Three of which he played good to very good.
    4. Amir signs a new contract without knowing if Bosh will stay or go. If Bosh stays Amir remains a bench rotation player. However, the Raptors trade him opening up chance for Amir to battle for a starting job with Davis.
    5. Amir was going to have to battle Davis for the starting job but now Davis gets hurt. So it looks like a starting job will be his coming opening night.

    Amazing how Karma works even if you ain't looking for it.
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    I've had a scope done for a torn miniscus. There were actually two tears and one was quite substantial. These surgeries are done through 3-4 incisions that are about the size of a ball point pen top. Recovery time is better the more in shape/stronger you are so for an NCAA/NBA athlete it should not be more than 4 weeks. I was running in 2-3 weeks. After 4 there were no effects. The first 5-7 days aren't the most comfortable but once swelling goes down rehab can start immediately. Like many basketball players, I'm sure Davis will have to strengthen the secondary/smaller muscles that provide support and balance in his legs in addition to the regular training of the major muscles that provide strength and power. The lack of focus these secondary muscles are given is why the popularity in strength training on exercise balls in recent years - I know the Phoenix Suns/Steve Nash use this training method extensively.

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    this is not good, the knee injury could affect his leaping ability.

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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    this is not good, the knee injury could affect his leaping ability.
    It seems to me like you are leaping to conclusions here
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    lol yea you are probably right, that was just my knee-jerk reaction.

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    lol yea you are probably right, that was just my knee-jerk reaction.
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    Really happy its not a micro-fracture. From what you guys have posted this doesn't seem career threatening. One question,worst case scenario, if he needs surgery is he out more than half a season? Anyone have an idea?

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Really happy its not a micro-fracture. From what you guys have posted this doesn't seem career threatening. One question,worst case scenario, if he needs surgery is he out more than half a season? Anyone have an idea?
    No idea but his was his last tweet about 10 AM EDT on Satuday
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    Watchin college football all day about 13 hours ago via web
    It seems like he is probably prohibited at least for now from any basketball related and other physical activity other than walking around.

    http://twitter.com/eddavis32
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    the thing that bugs me is that BC haters are going to add drafting Ed Davis to their list of his failures, likely reasoning that he should have seen this coming.

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    Quote aintno4s wrote: View Post
    the thing that bugs me is that BC haters are going to add drafting Ed Davis to their list of his failures, likely reasoning that he should have seen this coming.
    Ed Davis career as a Raptor will be judged heavily on Colangelo especially if he doesn't pan out.

    I doubt no one in their right mind would see this minor setback as Ed Davis being a faliure. Even Marcus "glass" Camby was heavily injury prone during his 20's and still managed to be somewhat of a force in his late 20's to early 30's.

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    Quote SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
    Doug Smith needs to stfu, immediately, as he seems to lack the basic insight of an NBA player's off season work out regime not to mention the "love of the game" clause that is written into most NBA player contracts ala Jordan that allows them to play basketball whenever and whenever they would like to play basketball ie Rucker Park. Who in their right mind would suggest that a healthy NBA player not work out as much as possible in the off season in order to get better?

    Doug Smith's drama class 101 is now in session ie was Amir aka Big A really in the building????

    As well, most NBA player's work out twice a day (2-3 hours each time) in the off season unsupervised by said team and have been since Dennis Johnson was a Sonic, plus play in open run scrimmages afterwards at various courts. The real question is does Doug Smith need to raise his basketball IQ? Yes. Or he's treating Raptor fans & followers who read that above posted article as basic fools in relation to Davis' related injury particulars ie open runs. Davis isn't the 1st Lottery pick to get injured before his rookie year began and won't be the last.

    I went through the Big Country era here in Vancouver and I would rather have a workaholic aka gym rat player than someone you have to carefully monitor to see if they have gotten up off of their couch or out of their fishing boat in the summer time and onto a basketball court in order to work out.

    Btw- Golden State's Lottery PF- Ekpe Udoh, is also injured (wrist) and may miss up to half of the NBA season plus he didn't get to run in Vegas unlike Davis. Also, Piston's Lottery PF Greg Monroe had toe surgery this summer but should be ready for training camp according to reports. Since we don't have an official Raptor report on the true extent of Davis' injury or an estimation on his timeline of his potential rehab process folks can't make a full analysis of his situation in relation Udoh & Monroe.

    Like Doug said- injuries can happen anywhere & at anytime: he should have stopped his article right there.
    Great points all-around.

    I feel compelled to mention last year's "forgotten" #1 overall pick. I wonder how Blake Griffin's going to bounce back (bounce around) after rehabbing his knee injury, which forced him to miss all of last season.

    Davis's injury is a set-back; maybe even a long-term blessing. But it's definitely not a tragedy. *Knocks on wood*

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