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    Default The Raptor's TPE: Fool's Gold?

    I can't recall this issue being threaded up recently, if it has my bad, so I decided to do so.

    I have been getting the sense over the past few weeks that alot of posters in various Raptor forums somehow believe that the Bosh TPE (14.5 million) is going to be BC's salvaging trade asset this off season, pre 2011 NBA trade deadline...netting the Raptor's a potential all star player in return like an Andre Iguodala from a team looking to dump salary before or at the NBA trading deadline. Not so fast.

    Although Cleveland is currently the only team with a TPE as large as Toronto's (and would most likely be in direct competition with any deal that was offered to BC) it seems at this point and time that the NBA is saturated with TPE's as many other teams have various dollar amount of TPE's available ie Utah/New Orleans both have 6 million TPE's to use in potential future player transactions.

    I don't how much of a true asset that the Bosh TPE will be in shaping the Rap's future because if it's not used by next July 11 it just fades away into thin air. Whatever the Bosh TPE eventually brings TO or doesn't bring TO in terms of talent- I'm not expecting anything major coming from it- time will tell.

    Here's a link to all the NBA teams with their TPE's and expiration dates:
    http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...exceptions.jsp

    Player's potentially available with the Rap's TPE:

    76ers- Iguodala
    Pistons- Prince
    Magic- Gortat
    76ers- Brand
    Spurs- Parker
    Clippers- Davis
    Hawks- Williams
    Pistons- Hamilton
    Warriors- Biedrins
    Clippers- Kaman
    Hornets- Okafor
    Wizards- Arenas
    Hawks- Crawford
    Mavericks- Butler
    Warriors- Ellis


    **Traded Player Exception: It can only be used to acquire existing contracts from other teams- in other words, to consummate a trade. A traded player exception (TPE) can also be used in parts, rather than as one whole amount. This therefore gives a team enormous flexibility on the trade market.



    Any thoughts?
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    Don't the Raptors have two TPEs? That site is only showing one of them...

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    I believe that I read that the Rap's used one of their TPE's (2 million something) in the Andersen deal w/ Houston.
    http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/201...small-one.html
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    If people are expecting an all-star to come back with the TPE, then yes it's fool's gold. The TPE can be broken up into parts and will help facilitate trades we'd like to make that wouldn't normally work under the cap. That's how I predict we'll use it, and I don't see any reason why a team would just trade away an all-star for a TPE.

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    Don't expect an all-star back for a TPE. I think what we can expect is BC ether using it to grab an over-payed Vet who could help us out short term ala Elton Brand or use it to take back some serviceable players who can't break the rotation on a contender but who could fit nicely with us. One of the things I'm hoping to get from the TPE is late first round draft picks. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we can use the exception to buy picks from other teams.
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    I thought it could only be used on one player?

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    "Teams can consume only part of a Traded Player exception, in which case they can still use the remainder in a future trade. For example, if a team trades a $4 million player for a $2 million player, they gain a $2.1 million Traded Player exception. If they later trade a draft pick for a $1 million player, they still have $1.1 million remaining to acquire more players and complete the trade (until one year from the date of the original trade)"

    From http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q71

    In this way you can do multiple deals from the same TPE.
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    From NBA know-it-all Larry Coon: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q71

    What is the Traded Player Exception (TPE)?

    As described in question number 70, exceptions are the mechanisms that allow teams to function above the salary cap. Any trade which results in the team ending up over the salary cap requires an exception. This is true even if the team is moving downward in salary. For example, if the salary cap is $50 million, a team has a team salary of $55 million, and they want to trade a $5 million player for a $4 million player, they still have to use an exception. Even though their team salary would be decreasing by $1 million, the fact that they would still be over the salary cap ($54 million) means that an exception is required.

    The Traded Player exception is the primary means used by teams over the cap for completing trades. It allows teams to make trades that leave them over the cap, but it places several restrictions on those trades. Trades using the Traded Player exception are classified into two categories: simultaneous and non-simultaneous. As its name suggests, a simultaneous trade takes place all at once. Teams can acquire up to 125% plus $100,000 of the salaries they are trading in a simultaneous trade. For example, a team trading a $5 million player in a simultaneous trade can receive one or more players whose salary is no more than 125% of $5 million, plus $100,000, or $6.35 million in return.

    A non-simultaneous trade may take up to a year to complete, but the team can only trade away one player, and can receive no more than $100,000 more than the salary they trade away. Non-simultaneous trades are described in question number 72.

    In short:

    •A simultaneous trade gives the team more money but less time.

    •A non-simultaneous trade gives the team more time but less money.

    It is important to view a trade from each team's perspective separately, rather than as a single, unified transaction. This is because the same trade may be organized differently according to each team's needs. For example, a trade might be classified as a simultaneous trade from one team's perspective, but from the other team's perspective it's actually broken into two trades, one simultaneous and the other non-simultaneous (completing a trade they made months earlier).


    There are several restrictions on trades (either simultaneous or non-simultaneous) which are described in other questions in this FAQ. These include Base Year Compensation (question numbers 76, 77 and 78), sign-and-trade (question numbers 79, 80, 81 and 82), including cash in trades (question number 83), trading draft picks (question number 74), trade bonuses (question numbers 86 and 87), and no-trade provisions (question number 88). In addition, performance incentives can complicate trades (question number 64).

    Also be aware that while the term "Traded Player exception" refers to the entire exception which allows teams to make trades above the salary cap (including simultaneous trades, non-simultaneous trades, and base year compensation), it is also commonly used to refer to the one-year monetary credit teams receive while a non-simultaneous trade is pending completion. Be aware of this potential ambiguity, which was made worse by the current CBA (earlier CBAs used the term "Assigned Player exception" to refer to the entire exception). END

    Hope that this helps to clarify the TPE for folks who are confused by all of its related properties- like me.lol
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    Something will come of our TPE. There's the Paul and Anthony situation that's shaping up to be interesting and the Raps as potential third or fourth team involved in trades. Out of that list, I like Okafor (as a true center - salary wise, he's paid $5 Million dollars more per season IMHO). That said, Bosh ain't a max player so the TPE gained from his signing and used on someone like Okafor is nothing to lose sleep over.
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    I highly doubt the Raptors would get a player of significant value with the TPE. What I am assuming (hoping) Colangelo will do is use it to acquire draft picks like, for example, when Oklahoma City took Kurt Thomas for a future first rounder that turned out to be the 26th pick this year, which they packaged with 21st pick and agreeing to take on Morris Peterson's contract, for the 11th pick, which turned out to be Cole Aldrich. So basically, the THunder turned their 21st pick and used their cap room to move up to a lottery pick. THAT's what I'd like to see Colangelo doing with the TPE. Agree to take other bad contracts in exchange for picks, and then bundle picks to move up.

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    Well we definitely have the biggest TPE along with Cleveland which expires this summer (vs. winter). That is probably what it takes to net a super star.

    So we have 1 out of 2 chance. Not bad.

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    Baron Davis would be pretty sweet.

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    let's go for a draft pick!

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    Too bad Utah got a borderline all-star with theirs.

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    Out of the realistic options - sign me up for Gortat or Biedrins.
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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    Baron Davis would be pretty sweet.
    You mean the dude that is up for an Emmy award? - See the "Lets NBA" section of RR Forum for the story on Baron being nominated for an Emmy.

    I doubt that he would leave Los Angeles at this time.

    He is too into the Hollywood scene and I believe he has some kind of no-trade clause in his contract, though I could be wrong on this last point.
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    I wouldn't touch Biedrins at this point because you don't know how he's respond coming back from surgery.
    Methinks that the Nuggets would be pushing for a Biedrins-Ellis for Anthony deal.

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    Default What's in a TPE

    Understanding the TPE, is definitely not an easy maze to negotiate. dhackett1565 put it out there in pretty good terms. http://www.raptorshq.com/2010/8/2/16...yer-exceptions
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    Tim Chisolm over at TSN, makes a good case for the value of Toronto's TPE.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=333978
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    To put a true perspective on it's value, you have to know the competition:

    Cleveland ...... 14.5 mil (expires July 2010)
    Utah ............... 6.5 mil (Dec 22/2010)
    New Orleans .. 6.2 mil (July 2011)
    Houston ......... 6.3 mil (Aug 2011)
    Phoenix .......... 5.7 mil (July 2011)
    Dallas ............. 4.3 mil (July 2011)
    Next closest is Atlanta at 3.6 million.
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    As far as I'm concerned, the only real competition is Cleveland. Utah's TPE expires way before the trading deadline - which I view as the most crucial time to use it.

    The real value to a TPE, is based on a team (or teams), giving up on the season, and moving a player. The chances that a 6 million dollar man will be what the Raptors want (with New Orleans' or Houston's being our competition), just seems doubtful to me. I'd rather we find those players at the beginning of the season (ala Kleiza).

    As I've said so many times before, Toronto has to get used to the "premium" cost associated with being in Canada. As such, we either have to pay a Free Agent that premium, or take a "premium" salary back (via the TPE), that will net us a top level player. Raptor chances are better via the TPE. Competition for a Free Agent (as we should know by now), goes beyond just the premium. That being said, no one should be under the delusion that we'll get a Melo type star with our TPE.

    The other benefit of acquiring a player via the TPE, is that we can trade them (if their value justifies it), to a team prior to the draft, for which we might gather up more draft picks. Which gives Toronto it’s best chance at quality players, that we can ingrain into the Toronto lifestyle, and hopefully keep.
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    From my reality, the Raptors’ road to a championship, has a lot more obstacles then many of the good teams out there. As such, we have to adapt our approach so that it takes into account the uniqueness of Toronto. And for those who say “name a championship team without a Franchise player”, I immediately think of Detroit. Of course, a negative poster has suggested Detroit was a fluke, and based on luck. To which I reply, for Toronto to win it all, there will definitely have to be some luck in there.
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    Quote RapthoseLeafs wrote: View Post
    Understanding the TPE, is definitely not an easy maze to negotiate. dhackett1565 put it out there in pretty good terms. http://www.raptorshq.com/2010/8/2/16...yer-exceptions
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    Tim Chisolm over at TSN, makes a good case for the value of Toronto's TPE.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=333978
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    To put a true perspective on it's value, you have to know the competition:

    Cleveland ...... 14.5 mil (expires July 2010)
    Utah ............... 6.5 mil (Dec 22/2010)
    New Orleans .. 6.2 mil (July 2011)
    Houston ......... 6.3 mil (Aug 2011)
    Phoenix .......... 5.7 mil (July 2011)
    Dallas ............. 4.3 mil (July 2011)
    Next closest is Atlanta at 3.6 million.
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    As far as I'm concerned, the only real competition is Cleveland. Utah's TPE expires way before the trading deadline - which I view as the most crucial time to use it.

    The real value to a TPE, is based on a team (or teams), giving up on the season, and moving a player. The chances that a 6 million dollar man will be what the Raptors want (with New Orleans' or Houston's being our competition), just seems doubtful to me. I'd rather we find those players at the beginning of the season (ala Kleiza).

    As I've said so many times before, Toronto has to get used to the "premium" cost associated with being in Canada. As such, we either have to pay a Free Agent that premium, or take a "premium" salary back (via the TPE), that will net us a top level player. Raptor chances are better via the TPE. Competition for a Free Agent (as we should know by now), goes beyond just the premium. That being said, no one should be under the delusion that we'll get a Melo type star with our TPE.

    The other benefit of acquiring a player via the TPE, is that we can trade them (if their value justifies it), to a team prior to the draft, for which we might gather up more draft picks. Which gives Toronto it’s best chance at quality players, that we can ingrain into the Toronto lifestyle, and hopefully keep.
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    From my reality, the Raptors’ road to a championship, has a lot more obstacles then many of the good teams out there. As such, we have to adapt our approach so that it takes into account the uniqueness of Toronto. And for those who say “name a championship team without a Franchise player”, I immediately think of Detroit. Of course, a negative poster has suggested Detroit was a fluke, and based on luck. To which I reply, for Toronto to win it all, there will definitely have to be some luck in there.
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    Very good post and very good link.

    However I think you have a typo on Cleveland's expiring TPE date
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    I keep telling people, Getting the TPE's is like getting a present and then opening it up to discover that all you get is a pair of socks.

    What the Raptor's will get for the TPE will be as exciting as getting Boris Diaw.

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