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    Toronto, Portland Added to Dampier's List of Options

    9/27/2010 3:37 AM ET By Sam Amick

    "I've talked to Milwaukee, Toronto, Portland, and one other team," he said after confirming talks with the Rockets as well. "There's no one in the No. 1 spot. I'm not in a rush. I just want to find the perfect fit and [/B][/COLOR] give myself an opportunity to compete for a championship."
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    Raps dodged one bullet by not signing the Gangster, the second is even bigger -- Dampier. Even thinking about him is a sign of desperation and betrays a lack of strategy going forward.

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    Quote sigros89 wrote: View Post
    Raps dodged one bullet by not signing the Gangster, the second is even bigger -- Dampier. Even thinking about him is a sign of desperation and betrays a lack of strategy going forward.
    I doubt that it would be for very much. I believe that if one of a team's players goes on the extended disabled list that teams are allowed to go over 15 player contracts until that person comes back. This would be a safe move that would allow Davis to come back when he should and not before, thus reducing the risk of another injury.
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    Isn't Dampier basically an older, bulkier version of Amir? A rebounder/defender who's efficient on offence if not asked to do too much. I don't mind a veteran who can play the 5 and crack some heads.

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    Dampier is the last of anything decent out there. He's a veteran. I dunno if he'll sign here or Portland. He's insurance in Portland with Camby's fragility and Joel P.'s injury. Same goes for the Bucks with Bogut. Houston may be a candidate but with Yao and Miller, Im not sure if there's room. If I'm a betting man, I'd say Milwaukee. You got a no non-sense coach, a team on the rise with a legitimate chance of playing time with Bogut on the shelf. Toronto's not going to be able to offer him anything other than more money than the rest.
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    Do we really have cap space after signing Kleiza?

    I can't see Dampier signing here. Like BOS said, I think he'll be in Portland. They need bigs.

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    Leave the man alone...pleeease! He wants to "compete for a championship". I am tired of these guys pimping themselves in the media using bi-directional cliches. I bet if the Raps offered him eg. 5 mill. per he'd come a running. Not unlike Mr. Bosh wanting to be "the man" when next he signed crappola.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Leave the man alone...pleeease! He wants to "compete for a championship". I am tired of these guys pimping themselves in the media using bi-directional cliches. I bet if the Raps offered him eg. 5 mill. per he'd come a running. Not unlike Mr. Bosh wanting to be "the man" when next he signed crappola.
    Too bad the Raptors couldn't offer him that kind of money.

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    not sure of the financial specifics, but if the raps still have money and can sign him for around 2 mil then that wont be too bad.

    i dont think he'll sign with the raps for the vets min, coz theyre not contenders.

    Damp would be an asset to the Raps. Big guy who knows how to use his body defensively inside the paint, does not incur too many fouls, does not need to be athletic to guard bigs and get rebounds, can teach bargs a few tricks, not offensively minded so he wont try to steal the spotlight and will be a good vet influence in the locker room.

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    Wth is BC doing, seriously? Why did we use the Turk TPE to get David Anderson for "big man insurance" if we're just going to sign another Center who can barely handle 10 - 15 minutes on the floor? Just let Alabi develop in the minutes that Bargnani and Anderson don't play.

    I only want to here talks of bigs if they have starter potential. We should be focusing on getting bigs who can actually make a significant difference, and a starting PG.

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    The first real month of the season November will be a disaster regardless if we get Erica on board.

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    He's not coming to Toronto if he has a desire to be on a .500 ball club, let alone a contender.

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    The guy has been a good rebounder and defender for his career. He could rub off on some of the younger guys. Real benefit would be at trade deadline when he could be packaged as part of a larger deal and/or traded to a contender for some insurance. East and West teams are going to need big bodies to get past BOS in east and LAL in West.

    I wonder if that could be one of BC's pitches to him: "Come sign with us. You'll get PT early and we'll try to send you to a contender later."

    In reality though, he doesn't fit the bigger picture of the Raps future.

    It seems to me, POR would make the most sense given their injury history and their three C's (Camby, Oden, Pryzbilla) and his desire to compete.

    The Raps can only offer minimum I believe. DIdn't they use the bi-annual exemption ($1.8M) last year on Nesterovic?
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    Quote Macc wrote: View Post
    Wth is BC doing, seriously? Why did we use the Turk TPE to get David Anderson for "big man insurance" if we're just going to sign another Center who can barely handle 10 - 15 minutes on the floor? Just let Alabi develop in the minutes that Bargnani and Anderson don't play.

    I only want to here talks of bigs if they have starter potential. We should be focusing on getting bigs who can actually make a significant difference, and a starting PG.
    I still think Colangelo wants Bargnani playing the 4. I realize that Triano said he is a 4 on the offensive side and a 5 on the defensive side, but Calongelo's interest and failed trades point to putting a starting 5 beside Bargnani (yes, Chandler would have started). I see him putting Dampier beside Bargnani, just like Dallas did with Nowitzki. Johnson would be the first big off the bench and would probably even play more minutes than Dampier... unless he was in foul trouble. As for Alabi, if you watched any of the summer league, you would have seen a guy that is not ready for this league. He is a project (even though he is already 22, he started playing basketball late and so his age doesnt reflect his experience) and would definitely be a victim of the "wolves" some of you would like to throw him to. I would see the depth chart (although not this structured) as:
    5 - Dampier/Anderson/Alabi
    4 - Bargnani/Johnson/Davis
    Of course, Bargs can slide to the 5 and have Johnson at the 4. As well, Davis' injury this year and the fact that he didn't play much last year, sets him back in a significant way. He will need time to find his game and then more time to figure out the NBA game. So, by trade deadline, if Raptors are out of the playoff race, Davis should be more involved and Dampier might be a good trade chip for a team lacking a veteran center for their run.

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    Quote Macc wrote: View Post
    Wth is BC doing, seriously? Why did we use the Turk TPE to get David Anderson for "big man insurance" if we're just going to sign another Center who can barely handle 10 - 15 minutes on the floor? Just let Alabi develop in the minutes that Bargnani and Anderson don't play.

    I only want to here talks of bigs if they have starter potential. We should be focusing on getting bigs who can actually make a significant difference, and a starting PG.
    You may have been misinformed about the trade details re: Anderson to the Raptors. The transaction was ostensibly made probably more to get Houston under the cap and resulted in the Rockets sending cash to the Raps (rather than the other way around or a tpe). The second round pick is something that will possibly never be consummated. For further details see.....

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7128811.html

    As far as I know the Raps continue to hold both the Phoenix and Miami trade TPEs.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    You may have been misinformed about the trade details re: Anderson to the Raptors. The transaction was ostensibly made probably more to get Houston under the cap and resulted in the Rockets sending cash to the Raps (rather than the other way around or a tpe). The second round pick is something that will possibly never be consummated. For further details see.....

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7128811.html

    As far as I know the Raps continue to hold both the Phoenix and Miami trade TPEs.
    The Raps absorbed the $2.5M on their books with the TPE from PHX.

    The cash from Houston was to pay for his contract - they send $2.5M versus have to pay $5M if they keep him.

    The 2nd round pick will most likely never be used by HOU but the Raps have to send something to complete the deal. This is why so many deals have (insert player) traded for 2nd round pick in (7 years down the road) if pick is between 51-55. Check out this link to see some of the conditions on second round draft picks used to complete financial motivated trades.

    http://realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php

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    I don't mind picking him up if for nothing else than the experience he brings and what he can help teach the Raptors young bigs. Never discount the value of a veteran around the kids. None of the coaching staff played a frontcourt position and Damp has done it to varying degrees of success on some very good teams.

    Best thing to ever happen to Bargs was playing with Jermaine. It was after he spent the last part of the summer and first half of the season working out with JO and playing with him that he improved his D. Amir and Andrea ain't gettin any better working out against David Anderson and Solomn Alabi.

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    Quote Brain Colangelo wrote: View Post
    Isn't Dampier basically an older, bulkier version of Amir? A rebounder/defender who's efficient on offence if not asked to do too much. I don't mind a veteran who can play the 5 and crack some heads.
    I'd say he's a bigger, bulkier Reggie. His game is nothing like Amir's, it's more ground based because he never had hops like Amir.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The guy has been a good rebounder and defender for his career. He could rub off on some of the younger guys. Real benefit would be at trade deadline when he could be packaged as part of a larger deal and/or traded to a contender for some insurance. East and West teams are going to need big bodies to get past BOS in east and LAL in West.

    I wonder if that could be one of BC's pitches to him: "Come sign with us. You'll get PT early and we'll try to send you to a contender later."

    In reality though, he doesn't fit the bigger picture of the Raps future.

    It seems to me, POR would make the most sense given their injury history and their three C's (Camby, Oden, Pryzbilla) and his desire to compete.

    The Raps can only offer minimum I believe. DIdn't they use the bi-annual exemption ($1.8M) last year on Nesterovic?
    I agree he has been a decent rebounder/defender in the past, but I don't know if you want a guy mentoring the players who is known for playing hard during contract years and then sort of coasting once he gets the insurance of a garanteed deal. That being said I would still take a chance on him because as average as his career has been, its still better from a defensive and rebounding perspective, than any other center we have on our roster.
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    Quote minks77 wrote: View Post
    I'd say he's a bigger, bulkier Reggie. His game is nothing like Amir's, it's more ground based because he never had hops like Amir.
    In terms of style, I agree. But he's way more effective and way less of a knucklehead than Reggie. His role is more like Amir's, rebounder at both ends who's counted on to score efficiently, not give the ball up and who can play decent team defence. More of a 5 than either Reggie or Amir.

    Reggie's role is simply as an energy player - he makes too many awful decisions to be more than that.

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