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    Default ESPN Insider: Hollinger's Raptors Outlook (Revisited 2010/11 Season)

    Here's John Hollinger's preview of the Raptors. Can't post the entire article for obvious reasons, but he goes on the say that our biggest strength is shooting and our biggest weakness is frontcourt defense. No surprises there.

    Outlook
    Toronto was the league's worst defensive team and no player on its roster finished in the top 75 in PER last season. Other than that, everything should be great.

    While the Raptors have several players who can score at a respectable clip, they're likely to struggle again on the defensive end. One hopes the effort will be less pathetic than it was a season ago, but with the same coaching staff and many of the same players, there isn't any compelling reason to suspect that will happen.

    Instead, I expect Toronto to be on the tail end of numerous 128-110 shellackings. The Raptors have some shooters but lack star talent on offense, so minus Bosh it will be difficult for them to rank above the league average at that end. Meanwhile, they'll again place 29th or 30th in defensive efficiency.

    Add it all up and it should be a long, bitter winter in Toronto. Raps fans straining for good news will note that Toronto has more rebuilding pieces in place than most teams in this situation, as the roster is fairly young, there's cap space in the future and the draft will begin pushing it forward in coming seasons.

    But for 2010-11? This is going to be ugly; in fact, Toronto may finish with the league's worst record. I'd be shocked if the Raptors so much as challenged for the playoffs, let alone qualified for them.

    Prediction: 22-60, 5th in Atlantic Division, 15th in Eastern Conference
    Source - ESPN Insider - Raptors Preview

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    do you think the players or raptors coaching staff read articles about the team?

    i think they should, and share things like this with the organization to serve as extra motivation on the upcoming season.
    dont know about you guys but me personally, one of the worst feelings is knowing that people think you suck, so youd try to do everything in your power to change the mind of people.

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    surely the young guns have to be checking the espn site regularly, so hopefully they take this as motivation and do well this season.

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    We'll be pretty bad. 22 wins is a bit low though. There's a consolation prize though - a possible top-5 pick.

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    I think he's bang on as far as the win-loss prediction. I think it's going to be in the 20's somewhere... and looking at the East it's hard to find a team that is going to be worse (several candidates in the West though). I disagree on the Defensive/Offensive ratings - We improved on Defense simply by ditching a few of the poorer defenders who through their lack of effort had a cancerous effect on our team defense. I also think he's giving us too much offensive credit - too many players playing big roles for the first time to expect us to expect us to be above the average for offensive numbers.... but overall his predictions are solid.
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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    do you think the players or raptors coaching staff read articles about the team?

    i think they should, and share things like this with the organization to serve as extra motivation on the upcoming season.
    dont know about you guys but me personally, one of the worst feelings is knowing that people think you suck, so youd try to do everything in your power to change the mind of people.
    Triano did say on numerous occasions that the media writing them off this early served as motivation for them. Words though, don't mean much.

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    On the bright side, if we finish last in the Atlantic division, we will get relegated to the Far East Atlantic division (a.k.a. the Euroleague). We can become a Euro superteam. It's all part of Maurizio & BC's master plan. ;-)

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    I think it's kind of odd that to Hollinger Marc Iavaroni and PJ Carlesimo are apparently the same person.

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    Quote daveyboy wrote: View Post
    I think it's kind of odd that to Hollinger Marc Iavaroni and PJ Carlesimo are apparently the same person.
    I keep telling this to people but despite the lack of action on the trade and TPE front, the biggest, most important, and least discussed move this off-season was bringing on P.J. Carlesimo.

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    What I think will happen is they'll start the season in the basement and by the end of the season they'll be sitting 10th worst, having effectively played themselves out of the playoffs in the first two or three months and then played themselves out of a high lotto pick in the last three months. Classic Raptors basketball.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I keep telling this to people but despite the lack of action on the trade and TPE front, the biggest, most important, and least discussed move this off-season was bringing on P.J. Carlesimo.
    You mean the guy who blew a golden opportunity to coach and mold Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook? The guy who follows Rick Adelman and makes those teams worse (POR, GSW)? The guy who got choked by Latrell Sprewell? THAT is our biggest, most important off-season move?

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    You mean the guy who blew a golden opportunity to coach and mold Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook? The guy who follows Rick Adelman and makes those teams worse (POR, GSW)? The guy who got choked by Latrell Sprewell? THAT is our biggest, most important off-season move?
    I suggest you review his coaching career:

    Assistant coach on Dream Team '92

    Sprewell choked him? Did you ever consider Sprewell is a douchebag? "I ain't takin' no $24M/3yr extension. I got to feed my family man." What happened the next year? Sprewell never played again and I believe all his possessions have been repossessed since as well. Did you ever consider Sprewell had the issues? Did you ever consider Sprewell was a primadona who couldn't handle a demanding coach who expect accountability? Oh right! Isn't that what Triano was oft-criticized for last year along with defense.

    After Carlesimo followed Adelman in Portland in '94, the team made the playoffs each year. They did not make it out of the first round of the playoffs though but the Blazers played better defense under him than any other Blazers coach. He came in at the end of Drexler's run with the vetern players and before the Blazers became the JailBlazers.

    He did shit with the Warriors I'll give you that but have you seen the players he had to work with? And who has had any success in Oakland the last 17 years minus Don Nelson's 8th seed/1st round victory? ANSWER: No one.

    What about the positives?

    The guy worked for 5 years with one of the most successful coaches and organizations of hte last 15 years. How many former Spurs front office guys are working around the league?

    You should also look back at Seattle's roster from 2007-08 and 2008-09. Then when you get wood from the names there remember the first year Durant and Green were rookies and had little else plus they finished with the worst recored in the West I believe. THen in 2008-09 they started 1-12 with a rookie PG in Westbrook.

    Taking nothing away from Scott Brooks, but he came in with the golden opportunity not Carlesimo. Carlesimo gets this assist here.

    You are entitled to your own opinion, obviously, but you shoud make sure you give the whole picture instead of spouting half truths.

    Carlesimo has a proven record of teaching/coaching great defense and getting results while taking no shit or excuses. I think this is great for a young team.

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Triano did say on numerous occasions that the media writing them off this early served as motivation for them. Words though, don't mean much.
    The media has been written them off for the past 2 years and the media and critics were right! MLSE marketing spin doctors are doing whatever they can to convince the casual fan that this team has a legit shot in making the playoffs.

    If there ever was a season to finish in the bottom 3 teams in the league and potentially get a shot in a player via the draft that could turn this franchise around, it would be this upcoming season. This group of guys are here to build something for the long haul but they can't do that until they get at least one legit star in one of the starting position while hoping that Derozan will become the other star.

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    The media has been written them off for the past 2 years and the media and critics were right! MLSE marketing spin doctors are doing whatever they can to convince the casual fan that this team has a legit shot in making the playoffs.

    If there ever was a season to finish in the bottom 3 teams in the league and potentially get a shot in a player via the draft that could turn this franchise around, it would be this upcoming season. This group of guys are here to build something for the long haul but they can't do that until they get at least one legit star in one of the starting position while hoping that Derozan will become the other star.
    For sure, throw in Irving/Barnes/Jones and get another big guy via trade or FA and there will be a great foundation there for years to come.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I suggest you review his coaching career:

    Assistant coach on Dream Team '92

    Sprewell choked him? Did you ever consider Sprewell is a douchebag? "I ain't takin' no $24M/3yr extension. I got to feed my family man." What happened the next year? Sprewell never played again and I believe all his possessions have been repossessed since as well. Did you ever consider Sprewell had the issues? Did you ever consider Sprewell was a primadona who couldn't handle a demanding coach who expect accountability? Oh right! Isn't that what Triano was oft-criticized for last year along with defense.

    After Carlesimo followed Adelman in Portland in '94, the team made the playoffs each year. They did not make it out of the first round of the playoffs though but the Blazers played better defense under him than any other Blazers coach. He came in at the end of Drexler's run with the vetern players and before the Blazers became the JailBlazers.

    He did shit with the Warriors I'll give you that but have you seen the players he had to work with? And who has had any success in Oakland the last 17 years minus Don Nelson's 8th seed/1st round victory? ANSWER: No one.

    What about the positives?

    The guy worked for 5 years with one of the most successful coaches and organizations of hte last 15 years. How many former Spurs front office guys are working around the league?

    You should also look back at Seattle's roster from 2007-08 and 2008-09. Then when you get wood from the names there remember the first year Durant and Green were rookies and had little else plus they finished with the worst recored in the West I believe. THen in 2008-09 they started 1-12 with a rookie PG in Westbrook.

    Taking nothing away from Scott Brooks, but he came in with the golden opportunity not Carlesimo. Carlesimo gets this assist here.

    You are entitled to your own opinion, obviously, but you shoud make sure you give the whole picture instead of spouting half truths.

    Carlesimo has a proven record of teaching/coaching great defense and getting results while taking no shit or excuses. I think this is great for a young team.
    Sorry, but those "positives" aren't exactly knocking my socks off. Catching a ride on the Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich gravy train as your biggest accomplishment doesn't exactly scream "most important off-season move". And let's face it, PJ is only the assistant coach. The head coach is the one who demands the accountability and enforces that by doling out minutes and roles. Jay's got to do that - not PJ. The real positive here is that we've got an assistant coach waiting in the wings who will get into guys faces. Hopefully the players recognize that and will play for Jay if for no other reason than to avoid the alternative. His bigger contribution might be helping Jay grow a pair, in which case I would start to agree with you.

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    Sorry, but those "positives" aren't exactly knocking my socks off. Catching a ride on the Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich gravy train as your biggest accomplishment doesn't exactly scream "most important off-season move". And let's face it, PJ is only the assistant coach. The head coach is the one who demands the accountability and enforces that by doling out minutes and roles. Jay's got to do that - not PJ. The real positive here is that we've got an assistant coach waiting in the wings who will get into guys faces. Hopefully the players recognize that and will play for Jay if for no other reason than to avoid the alternative. His bigger contribution might be helping Jay grow a pair, in which case I would start to agree with you.
    You should check out his coaching history - you are selling the guy short.

    The reference to being part of the Tim Duncan and Gregg Pop gravy train is not about him getting 'lucky' in circumstances. The reference is he was a part of a winning team and organization. He has had more success, even if it is as an assistant, than any other player on the Raptors or in their front office.

    Check his Seton Hall record.

    You realize his first NBA coaching gig was the Blazers in '94? That is a pretty sucessful first stint.

    Did you see the movie Michael Clayton? PJ is the Raptors Michael Clayton.

    Edit: And guaranteed he will be Jay's successor.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    You should check out his coaching history - you are selling the guy short.

    The reference to being part of the Tim Duncan and Gregg Pop gravy train is not about him getting 'lucky' in circumstances. The reference is he was a part of a winning team and organization. He has had more success, even if it is as an assistant, than any other player on the Raptors or in their front office.

    Check his Seton Hall record.

    You realize his first NBA coaching gig was the Blazers in '94? That is a pretty sucessful first stint.

    Did you see the movie Michael Clayton? PJ is the Raptors Michael Clayton.

    Edit: And guaranteed he will be Jay's successor.
    Dude, I know my NBA history. PJ took over a Blazers program that was hovering just under .700 freakin' ball for the previous 4 years. Adelman got fired because he didn't win it all. PJ walked into yet another golden opportunity and turned that program into a slightly above average squad. The program got worse after PJ any way you want to measure - regular season W-L, playoff performance (or lack thereof). Seriously, get your facts straight before you attempt to call out others.

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    The media has been written them off for the past 2 years and the media and critics were right! MLSE marketing spin doctors are doing whatever they can to convince the casual fan that this team has a legit shot in making the playoffs.

    If there ever was a season to finish in the bottom 3 teams in the league and potentially get a shot in a player via the draft that could turn this franchise around, it would be this upcoming season. This group of guys are here to build something for the long haul but they can't do that until they get at least one legit star in one of the starting position while hoping that Derozan will become the other star.

    i think we need to settle down a bit & ponder the notion that with a new CBA looming & a potential lockout, this upcoming draft may be unsettled. i mean, if there's no agreement in place by the spring, and it looks like there'll be a lockout, i can envision a lot of the top prospects simply not hiring agents, thereby giving them the flexibility to back out of the draft to stay in college for another year, while the CBA mess is worked out. it may seem an unlikely situation now, but who knows how things will unfold over the ensuing months? would a top prospect be willing to risk injury by playing another year in college over getting drafted & going unpaid if there's a lockout?
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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Dude, I know my NBA history. PJ took over a Blazers program that was hovering just under .700 freakin' ball for the previous 4 years. Adelman got fired because he didn't win it all. PJ walked into yet another golden opportunity and turned that program into a slightly above average squad. The program got worse after PJ any way you want to measure - regular season W-L, playoff performance (or lack thereof). Seriously, get your facts straight before you attempt to call out others.
    Sorry dude. I'm not sure you know your history of the great Blazers program that PJ took over.

    Drexler was traded in the 94-95 season.
    Terry Porter played 35 games in 94-95.
    Kevin Duckworth was no longer with team.
    Buck Williams was 34.
    Jerome Kearsey was 32 and only played 32 games - next year he was in GS.
    Otis Thorpe was 32 and traded to HOU with Drexler.

    This was a team very much in transition.

    Here is their record and finish from 1990-1991. The excellent program you spout was in 91 and 92. Carlesimo held his own in 94, 95, and did better in 97. Those Blazers teams hold the top defensive records in the history of hte organization. They also did this while losing their franchise player in Clyde Drexler.

    1996-97 49 33 3rd
    1995-96 44 38 3rd
    1994-95 44 38 4th
    1993-94 47 35 4th
    1992-93 51 31 3rd
    1991-92 57 25 1st
    1990-91 63 19 1st

    In 93-94 the Blazers were ranked 10th offenseively and 12th defensively.

    In 94-95 the Blazers were ranked 6th offensively and 7th defensively.

    I think you should re-read the final sentence in your previous post and look in the mirror. As I recall you were the one who started this dialogue.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Sorry dude. I'm not sure you know your history of the great Blazers program that PJ took over.

    Drexler was traded in the 94-95 season.
    Terry Porter played 35 games in 94-95.
    Kevin Duckworth was no longer with team.
    Buck Williams was 34.
    Jerome Kearsey was 32 and only played 32 games - next year he was in GS.
    Otis Thorpe was 32 and traded to HOU with Drexler.

    This was a team very much in transition.

    Here is their record and finish from 1990-1991. The excellent program you spout was in 91 and 92. Carlesimo held his own in 94, 95, and did better in 97. Those Blazers teams hold the top defensive records in the history of hte organization. They also did this while losing their franchise player in Clyde Drexler.

    1996-97 49 33 3rd
    1995-96 44 38 3rd
    1994-95 44 38 4th
    1993-94 47 35 4th
    1992-93 51 31 3rd
    1991-92 57 25 1st
    1990-91 63 19 1st

    In 93-94 the Blazers were ranked 10th offenseively and 12th defensively.

    In 94-95 the Blazers were ranked 6th offensively and 7th defensively.

    I think you should re-read the final sentence in your previous post and look in the mirror. As I recall you were the one who started this dialogue.
    Held his own? LMAO. We're supposed to get excited about taking a team from 12th to 7th defensively? Heck, even KO took the Raps from 26th to 7th (with VC on the roster) and he got fired. Sorry, but I still can't get all worked up over PJ's resume to the level of calling it the "most important off-season move" like you do. If that's the best you can muster then we'll be going in circles for quite a while. I acknowledge that PJ does have some 'sandpaper' in him, which might be the best attribute to help the team. That's about as much due as he'll get from me, for now. His NBA resume is a whole lotta 'meh' and less.

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