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Thread: Jose or Jarrett: Who Would You Start At PG?

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    Default Jose or Jarrett: Who Would You Start At PG?

    Who would you start at point guard for the Raptors in 2010-11?

    Me, myself, I would start Jack just because he seems to be able to create shots for others, gets to the rim more efficiently & plays pressure D better than Jose. Plus Jose seems to play better within the second unit going against other team's back up point guards. Btw-both are ideally back up NBA point guards in my mind.

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    Where is the third option? I am a huge Jack supporter, but I am not giving up on Calderon. If these players can share the minutes and be effective, it doesn't matter.
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    Quote Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    Where is the third option? I am a huge Jack supporter, but I am not giving up on Calderon. If these players can share the minutes and be effective, it doesn't matter.
    What would you suggest since only one of them can start?

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    I think they should stop talking about it in the Media like in the past and just say "Minutes = Effort + Production" and let them challenge each other for minutes just like all the other positions. If they let it become an issue it's because the team and/or Media makes it one. I think these two guys know they're splitting minutes 60/40 at the most and as long as the coaches keep by their mantra of Effort + Defense, they will both be fine with it.
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    I prefer Jack's game, a lot, however I also would like them both to stay. Who should start who cares? They shouldn't. Share the minutes, stay fresh and reduce fatigue injuries to lengthen your career. Triano's point about the speed with Jack, Barbosa and Weems together is nice but that means to me Jose starts as I do not see Weems over Kleiza, and I doubt they start Barbosa over DD.

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    My take is that in pre-season the Raps are going to be showcasing Jose for a trade. Very rarely does a player remain with the team after such a public show of a trade nearly consummated. To Jose's credit he seems to be rolling with the events. But I think he will be an exRap sometime in-season or before. That said this is a different team and coached approach from last year. If last night's game is a peek-into-the-future of style then JJ was great with the fast boyz in the second unit and would be more valuable coming off the bench. Who plays more should really be decided based on matchups on any given night.

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    I'd like to see Calderon take the reigns. He's the better play maker and shooter in my opinion. I love Jack's locker room leadership, but Calderon is the one who is going to get this team going offensively.

    On the defensive end Jack is obviously more qualified, but most quicker guards are going to blow by Jack, as well. He's not a lock down defender and neither is Calderon, but Calderon has proved he can run a team efficiently, so I give my vote to him.

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    In the summer, I said Calderon (In my first ever thread I started :')) but now I'm leaning towards starting Jack, not only because of the injury, but also because I've started to like Jack a lot more. Better player now, younger and has a thing with Weems and DD

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    Jose is deffinatly the better guard and should start.

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    I have nothing against Calderon except his contract.

    I would start Jose and hope he plays well enough to get a team to trade for him.

    Jack starts rest of year after trade.

    Hopefully next year we get a bonafide NBA starting PG through draft or trade.

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    IMO Jose and Andrea don't gel. So if Bargs starts, I want Jose off the bench, and vice versa. And from JT's words, it looks like Bargnani starts no matter what so...

    Neither of the two are good enough to be starting PGs in the league.

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    Jose is the starter PG .... even for those who wants him out, starting Jose will increase his trading value and is not like starting Jack is going to make a significant difference for the incoming season!

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    Cant start Calderon unless he scores alot more and his D doesnt completely kill you defensively (which you know it will)

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    Quote Trife76 wrote: View Post
    Cant start Calderon unless he scores alot more and his D doesnt completely kill you defensively (which you know it will)
    Depsite his contract Jose is best suited to be a back up and play limited minutes off the bench against the other team's back up pg. BC may decide to showcase Jose as a starter but that could cause friction in the locker room if Jack out plays him.

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    Hmmmm......let's see. so far Jack leads Calderon in points, steals, defense, free throw attempts, getting into the paint, shooting percentage, 3-point percentage, rebounds, etc, and Calderon has a small (.5 per game) lead in assists. Why does Calderon get the benefit of the doubt all the time when he is playing poorly? Why is this even a discussion? Jack outplays him as a starter whenever he is given a chance, and even outplays him as a back-up. Jose is not a starting-caliber guard in this league. Period. Jack is no Rondo or Paul, but he is better, tougher, more durable, and more of a leader.

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    Jack actually has a much higher shooting percentage (and PPG) so far, and had a higher 3-point percentage last year. He also does more than pound the ball at the 3-point line for 15 seconds then make an easy pass to a peripheral jump-shooter.

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    Quote DeSo wrote: View Post
    Jack actually has a much higher shooting percentage (and PPG) so far, and had a higher 3-point percentage last year. He also does more than pound the ball at the 3-point line for 15 seconds then make an easy pass to a peripheral jump-shooter.
    Plus Jack hasn't missed a game over the past 3 years while Jose is very injury prone........

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    Quote DeSo wrote: View Post
    Hmmmm......let's see. so far Jack leads Calderon in points, steals, defense, free throw attempts, getting into the paint, shooting percentage, 3-point percentage, rebounds, etc, and Calderon has a small (.5 per game) lead in assists. Why does Calderon get the benefit of the doubt all the time when he is playing poorly? Why is this even a discussion? Jack outplays him as a starter whenever he is given a chance, and even outplays him as a back-up. Jose is not a starting-caliber guard in this league. Period. Jack is no Rondo or Paul, but he is better, tougher, more durable, and more of a leader.
    If you're simply going on two preseason games, yes, Jack has played better. To say he's a better player, however, would be wrong. They're both at a similar level, but Jose has proven to be a better passer and better at running on offense than Jack, who's really more of a combo guard. The only things that Jack does better than Calderon is drive to the hoop and play defense. Your contention that Jack is tougher and more of a leader has absolutely merit. Calderon has always been the guy who has taken players aside, who communicates the most on the court, and off the court he was even the one who organized team dinners during training camp. And Calderon's toughness has never been questioned. His durability, sure, but certainly not toughness.

    Personally, I think Calderon is better as the starter because he's the only player on the team that can effectively run an offense. Jack is a nice spark off the bench because he can score, but ideally, especially with the roster the Raptors have, you want your starting PG to be able to make his teammates better. This is something Calderon does, but not Jack.

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    You can't determine the starting PG without knowing who else is starting. Aside from Andrea's "guaranteed" starting spot, who else will be in there?

    If we're looking at a Weems-Kleiza-Johnson-Bargs lineup, I'd argue that Jose should start. Jack would only take touches away from Kleiza/Bargs while he generated his own offense from dribble penetration, and the Jose+Johnson pick and roll was shown to be effective last season.

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    Why does calderon/jack have to be top scorers? Their game isn't back yet, but jose has improved tremendously. As long as they can get the ball to people who can get the percentage, they're doing their job. And doing the team a favor.

    As it stands, calderon's passing is way better than jacks. I'd definitely start jose.

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