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    During last nights game I saw the light: Reggie Evans should not be traded. He brings everything we need as a team: toughness, rebounding, and physicality. Sure he is a crappy defender, has terrible B-Ball IQ, and is perhaps the worst offensive player in Raps history but he brings an identity to this team: we'll tear your balls off before we give up a layup and then we'll pound you on the glass. That's the attitude I want our young guys to pick up: Davis, DeRozen, Aabi, Amir, and Weems should be out there every night throwing elbows and stepping under shooters during their jumpers. Teams should think before they see Toronto on the Schedual, "oh shit, maybe I'll say I have the flu or something". I am and aways have been a big supporter of playing dirty basketball and getting wins through effort and toughness.

    On a related note, anyone think we could trade Bargs and Calderon for Gerald Walace? Or maybe Kirelenko and Brevin Knight?
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    I still don't understand what Reggie Evans does better than Joey Dorsey. From my perspective, nothing. I love Reggie's intensity and rebounding. I like much of his role on the team. I hate that he needs to step on the floor during games as part of that role. I hate that he's such a bad decision maker that Triano has him dribbling the ball chest-high out to the perimeter after an offensive rebound so he can hand the ball back to a PG.

    Reggie plus TPE for nearly anyone would be fine with me.

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    His value is in his expiring contract. He should not be traded, instead the Raptors should put him on the end of the bench (or play him for a few minutes, I don't care) and let him and Banks come off the cap this summer. Then we'll have cap-space and a big TPE to work with, now that is flexibility. Will a year be wasted? Yes, but let's call it development.

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    During last nights game I saw the light: Reggie Evans should not be traded. He brings everything we need as a team: toughness, rebounding, and physicality. Sure he is a crappy defender, has terrible B-Ball IQ, and is perhaps the worst offensive player in Raps history but he brings an identity to this team: we'll tear your balls off before we give up a layup and then we'll pound you on the glass. That's the attitude I want our young guys to pick up: Davis, DeRozen, Aabi, Amir, and Weems should be out there every night throwing elbows and stepping under shooters during their jumpers. Teams should think before they see Toronto on the Schedual, "oh shit, maybe I'll say I have the flu or something". I am and aways have been a big supporter of playing dirty basketball and getting wins through effort and toughness.

    On a related note, anyone think we could trade Bargs and Calderon for Gerald Walace? Or maybe Kirelenko and Brevin Knight?
    When Ed Davis returns, all having Reggie Evans on the floor will be doing will be taking playing time away from younger players who need it more. I applaud what Evans has brought to the team and what he does on the floor, but what is the main goal this season? To me, it's developing the young player, and you can't do that if you don't let them play.
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    I don't know why people think his ball IQ is low. It isn't. He didn't have a role last year, Triano basically told him to do whatever he can. This year, though, he's extremely talkative on d, passes out after rebounds, and only takes shots he'll make or get fouled on. He looks REALLY good this year.

    Keep him til the end of the year, then resign him for the vets minimum.

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    Tim, as someone who's done coaching clinics and has a level 3 in NCCP, I disagree with you.

    Players learn in practice, and simply are allowed to show their skills in games. The development occurs in practice. All playing will do for Ed is develop chemistry and get him into a bit of a groove. I don't want him playing more than 15 minutes a game. Basketball is not something you "learn on the job".

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    The Raptors need to keep Evans in the game, for one reason he's the best pure offensive rebounder in the game. Throughout this pre-season he's kept almost an average 5 possessions a game going by simply rebounding the ball, something this team never really had.

    As far, as I'm concerned his one major flaw is free throw shooting. You can see in the games that he gets pissed every time he misses a shot. Since, he draws no attention on offense he's often open for an easy lay-up and the occasional post-up. If he can get above 70% free throw shooting, this guy will be a huge addition.

    The most refreshing voice since Oak. He takes losses and effort seriously. Is a big talker and in-game motivator who keeps the players loose and honest.

    This game also has convinced me that Jose is now a washed-up piece of junk. He played 5 minutes more than Jack, had less assists, no points and no fouls. When one of the best passers in the game is getting less than 5 assists, in sufficient minutes and as one of the best free throw shooters is not driving to the hole, that's it. Maybe, he's paranoid of getting hurt before the regular season, but I'm betting against that being the case.

    I've always been a fan of Banks the last two years. At least he can drive to the whole, and keep his man in-front of him, the Raptors really don't need much more than that. So, give Banks the starting job. Sit Jose!

    Edit: I agree with Intro I want to re-sign Evans and Banks for the vet minimum next year.
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    Quote Introcollapse wrote: View Post
    Tim, as someone who's done coaching clinics and has a level 3 in NCCP, I disagree with you.

    Players learn in practice, and simply are allowed to show their skills in games. The development occurs in practice. All playing will do for Ed is develop chemistry and get him into a bit of a groove. I don't want him playing more than 15 minutes a game. Basketball is not something you "learn on the job".
    I agree and disagree. For a player who lacks skill, being thrown into an NBA game possibly will hinder his development. A guy like Alabi is simply too raw to play much in an NBA because he'd be in over his head. That's not to say he wouldn't benefit from time in the developmental league. Players need to eventually play. They need to learn and adjust to actual game situations and pressure. Coaches can teach best during practice, but you can only teach so much. A player eventually needs playing time to develop.

    The NBA doesn't practice all that much outside of training camp. There's simply not enough time. Players can get coaching sessions, but most of the practices are shoot arounds and game preparations. There's little actual practice. A guy like Ed Davis already is a skilled player. Having him play 25-30 mpg isn't going to hurt his development, and in fact will benefit him. What Davis needs most is to adjust to the speed and skill level of the NBA. He's a player with a very high IQ who has already been well coached.

    And Amir Johnson obviously needs to play as much as his fouling will allow. All Evans will do is take time away from those two players.
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    Probably the best thread I've seen on here in a while. Its so true, because the Raps don't have a staple by any means. If they started bruising up Evans style, they could really get under other teams skin, and with this new rule where players can't complain to the refs, we could prosper off of technicals. To be honest, I would love a Bargs for Zach Randolph trade.

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    To be honest, I would love a Bargs for Zach Randolph trade.
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    Reggie was -17 last night despit getting 16 rebound.

    Hustle, toughness, energy, physicality can only take you so far in a league that is based on Real skills and Real Talents.

    Raptors are already paying 34 million to a hustle guy in the name of Amir Johnson.

    I am sure that they will end up paying Sonny another 30 for next 4 years so that theyr "Young Gunz" stay together and ... Sonny is another player with very limited talent and is all about hustle and energy and ...

    This team needs a real talent in order to compete in future. Right now, looking at this team, we do not have it.

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    I was of the mindset that we could do without reggie but now I think amir, davis or alabi have to fill his role before we can justify trading him, keeping reggie gives us depth

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    The fickle fans. One game changes the whole perception, doesn't it? I like what he did last night and if he continues to rebound at that rate, there is no reason why he can't be a poor man's Rodman.

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    I am sure that they will end up paying Sonny another 30 for next 4 years so that theyr "Young Gunz" stay together and ... Sonny is another player with very limited talent and is all about hustle and energy and ...

    This team needs a real talent in order to compete in future. Right now, looking at this team, we do not have it.
    I disagree. Sonny definitely has talent. He's got a VERY good mid range pull up, which is one of the most difficult shots to learn. He's a good post player for a guard and he's got a knack for scoring. He's also shown an ability to rebound the ball. Weems is struggling at the moment to find his niche on the team, but the guy has talent.

    Also, as Pat Riley has said, hustle IS a skill. It's a skill because not everyone is able to do it and because it helps the team. If a guy like Derrick Coleman had hustle, he'd have been one of the best ever at his position. Unfortunately it was a skill he lacked.
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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    His value is in his expiring contract. He should not be traded, instead the Raptors should put him on the end of the bench (or play him for a few minutes, I don't care) and let him and Banks come off the cap this summer. Then we'll have cap-space and a big TPE to work with, now that is flexibility. Will a year be wasted? Yes, but let's call it development.
    I have to be confused because I thought the TPE expired if it was not used this season. I also thought that as is the Raptors will be hovering close to $48M next off-season without taking into consideration draft pick signings and re-signing Weems. That's with Wright and Dorsey's potential qualifying offers out of the picture.
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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    His value is in his expiring contract. He should not be traded, instead the Raptors should put him on the end of the bench (or play him for a few minutes, I don't care) and let him and Banks come off the cap this summer. Then we'll have cap-space and a big TPE to work with, now that is flexibility. Will a year be wasted? Yes, but let's call it development.
    I don't think it would be a wasted year if we get a top 5 pick and can pick up an elite PG in Irving (if he pans out) or an elite wing player in Jones or Barnes (if they pan out) - by the way, just tossing out names - basically the only way we are going to get a franchise player is to draft one. Guys who are actually deserving of max money will have offers from just about every team.

    Also if guys develop more, I'm all for that and do not consider the year wasted regardless of record. The Raptors already have league best bench and role players. The problem is they are the ones expected to lead the team.

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    One thing that's being focused on in the North American coaching community is why it is that when the US or Canada goes to the worlds, they always (except the two most recent tournaments) get kicked out despite what looks like a talented roster.

    The conclusion has been practice. The average practice to game ratio in Europe is 6:1. 6 practices to every game. That's why European players are so versatile and skilled (and not overly athletic. Skill > athleticism). However, at the pro level in North America (where young players with much room to grow are very prevalent), the practice to game ratio is about 1:2. That is why we see so many raw, athletic players that never meet their potential.

    I'm not suggesting that we bench Davis, because that's counter productive. But limiting his minutes and focusing on discussing his playing time on the bench (what he did right and wrong) should be the overall focus. The kid's young. Much to learn. One must walk before they run.

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    During last nights game I saw the light: Reggie Evans should not be traded. He brings everything we need as a team: toughness, rebounding, and physicality. Sure he is a crappy defender, has terrible B-Ball IQ, and is perhaps the worst offensive player in Raps history but he brings an identity to this team: we'll tear your balls off before we give up a layup and then we'll pound you on the glass. That's the attitude I want our young guys to pick up: Davis, DeRozen, Aabi, Amir, and Weems should be out there every night throwing elbows and stepping under shooters during their jumpers. Teams should think before they see Toronto on the Schedual, "oh shit, maybe I'll say I have the flu or something". I am and aways have been a big supporter of playing dirty basketball and getting wins through effort and toughness.

    On a related note, anyone think we could trade Bargs and Calderon for Gerald Walace? Or maybe Kirelenko and Brevin Knight?
    Big difference between playing with effort and toughness and throwing elbows and taking guys legs out or dirty basketball.

    Effort and toughness is a desirable trait for any player and, unfortunately, not all have it.

    Throwing elbows and taking guys legs out is a good way to end someone's career and shows an obvious lack of respect for the opponent as an athlete and human being.

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    I have to be confused because I thought the TPE expired if it was not used this season. I also thought that as is the Raptors will be hovering close to $48M next off-season without taking into consideration draft pick signings and re-signing Weems. That's with Wright and Dorsey's potential qualifying offers out of the picture.
    The TPE expires one year from the date of transaction it was received.

    If BC can find a taker for Jose, that will be real flexibility if an expiring contract is returned OR if a guy who can contribute at a position of need is returned.

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    Can someone please articulate what Reggie does that Joey Dorsey does not?

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