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Thread: 2010-2011 ESPN Predictions - WOW

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    Default 2010-2011 ESPN Predictions - WOW

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/previe...ns1011-Raptors

    All i can say is WOW.

    All 10 ESPN analysts ranked the Raptors no higher than the 13 spot out of 15 on the east, with basically an average ranking of 15th (last).

    Are the Raps really this bad???

    I hope somebody from the organization read this and shared it with the team, man, for me, this would be the utmost motivation......

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    I posted some comments. Basically, they're comments from people who don't watch the team play. Their basing everything off of last year and aren't watching these games. They say who, is going to provide the offense? Look at leaderboard their second in scoring. They are a Euro team? They only have two and a half European players.

    Know your shit before you post your shit, ESPN!

    I'm still confident that this team will finish 2nd in the division. None of the other teams scare me.
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    Quote Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    I'm still confident that this team will finish 2nd in the division. None of the other teams scare me.
    Vegas has set the over-under on Raptors wins this season at 26 1/2. The only team lower in the East is New Jersey at 24 1/2. Obviously this team could surprise everyone, but at the moment that win total seems about right. There just isn't a lot of talent on this team.

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    I think the knicks are better, so my money is down for placing third in our division

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    Scott's right, as presently constructed, this team will struggle to win 30 games.

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    Those are some ugly ass analysts making the predictions. they all need some new mugshots.

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    I agree with Raptorsss, i think the ESPN analysts got it all wrong. Theyre predicting the Raps 2010-2011 based on what transpired last season, when in fact the team is an exact opposite of what it was last year. All of them were concerned about the 24-11 of Bosh and the presence of Turk, but i think with those two gone, it creates more opportunities for other players to score. And having a legit superstar is a liability on defense, last year, opponents kept attacking Bosh and Turk trying to get them into foul trouble, but this year, there is no superstar mentality so there's no preserving anyone here. everyone can go hard on defense without having the burden of not fouling out because he's a "superstar".

    i dont want to make bold figure predictions, but i think the raps have a really good chance of surprising this year. with this lineup, hardwork and toughness will be the key, but come trade deadline, i think BC might have something up his sleeve and if he acquires a good scorer/playmaker, i think the Raps will make the playoffs.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    I agree with Raptorsss, i think the ESPN analysts got it all wrong. Theyre predicting the Raps 2010-2011 based on what transpired last season, when in fact the team is an exact opposite of what it was last year. All of them were concerned about the 24-11 of Bosh and the presence of Turk, but i think with those two gone, it creates more opportunities for other players to score. And having a legit superstar is a liability on defense, last year, opponents kept attacking Bosh and Turk trying to get them into foul trouble, but this year, there is no superstar mentality so there's no preserving anyone here. everyone can go hard on defense without having the burden of not fouling out because he's a "superstar".

    i dont want to make bold figure predictions, but i think the raps have a really good chance of surprising this year. with this lineup, hardwork and toughness will be the key, but come trade deadline, i think BC might have something up his sleeve and if he acquires a good scorer/playmaker, i think the Raps will make the playoffs.
    How do you know they are basing their opinions on anything about last year? 7 pre-season games have now been played and most basketball writers have had the opportunity to see most teams play thus far (I know I have).

    Maybe they are basing it on the sense that talent wins and the Raptors talent is questionable at best. Most teams (as even Triano admitted) has a player or two that you can go to, to get you buckets, especially in crunch time. The Raptors don't have that type of player and yet from a team talent perspective they are a collection of solid bench players but very little starting NBA talent (for a good team).

    I think the notion that these guys are basing it solely on last year is false. Vegas is not setting the line at 26 games because Bosh and Turkoglu are gone. They are setting it there because they don't think the Raps have the talent to compete and be succesful every night.

    As a Raptor fan I can look objectively at this roster and immediately know that they are going to struggle to win games.

    I might also 'pause' on the notion that with Bosh and Turks gone that the defence will be better because there is no one to be 'preserved'. Other teams know EXACTLY who to attack this year, believe me.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/previe...ns1011-Raptors

    All i can say is WOW.

    All 10 ESPN analysts ranked the Raptors no higher than the 13 spot out of 15 on the east, with basically an average ranking of 15th (last).

    Are the Raps really this bad???

    I hope somebody from the organization read this and shared it with the team, man, for me, this would be the utmost motivation......
    espn don't know shit. i'd like to hear what tsn thinks,but, not espn.
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    Come on now guys. Are we really going to accept the idea that ten guys who get paid to watch and analyze NBA basketball didn't watch the Raptors play? I'm not buying that. It would be different if it was an article by one of these guys and it was negative and you felt it was off base but all ten saying the same thing? I've been saying it's going to be a rough season if you're expecting a decent result in the standings. This only further validates my theory...

    The Raptors had a totally revamped crew last season and it was said they struggled because there was so much change. This with a legit top ten talent. Now they've undergone similar drastic change with no steady presence to rely on in tough times. I think a large group is in for a rude awakening. I hope Bargnani doesn't get all the unfair wrath that's cooking on the burner.
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    I think the constant references to Bosh and Turk states that thats where theyre basing this season's outcome, but what kinda gets to me is that theyre saying that the raps already struggled when those 2 were in the lineup, what more without them? but like i said, theyre playing a different format now, and we have more than enough players who can score.

    Basketball is a team game, and the raps have enough players who can step up and take charge. just because players are not starters doesnt mean theyre not as good. fisher is the starting PG for the lakers, have you seen him put up monster numbers? his stats are not even close to calderon.

    bottomline is, predictions are doomed from the beginning. you cant really say whats going to happen after 82 games. like i said before, ESPN ranked the raptors 26th pre-season and they ended up winning a division title. go figure.

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    This team is bad. Like really bad. I'd be surprised if we do win more than 30 games. There are still rebounding deficiencies, still no real go-to scorer, issues on D, no real identity. We'll be basement dwellers all season.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    I think the constant references to Bosh and Turk states that thats where theyre basing this season's outcome, but what kinda gets to me is that theyre saying that the raps already struggled when those 2 were in the lineup, what more without them? but like i said, theyre playing a different format now, and we have more than enough players who can score.

    Basketball is a team game, and the raps have enough players who can step up and take charge. just because players are not starters doesnt mean theyre not as good. fisher is the starting PG for the lakers, have you seen him put up monster numbers? his stats are not even close to calderon.

    bottomline is, predictions are doomed from the beginning. you cant really say whats going to happen after 82 games. like i said before, ESPN ranked the raptors 26th pre-season and they ended up winning a division title. go figure.
    The criticism that those analysts were primarily giving, outside the loss of household names, was defense.

    This team is an entirely different beast than the one that won the division. That team had seasoned, smart vets to depend on and the division was really weak that year. Things have changed.

    One more thing. If we're going to use the rationality that ESPN once knocked the Raptors prior to the season beginning and then they went on to win the division then what about the other (probably) ten seasons where they didn't give them a favorable outlook prior to the season and the team went on to stink? They still have a better win% than the Raptors do in any season in their 15 year existence.

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    This team is bad. Like really bad. I'd be surprised if we do win more than 30 games. There are still rebounding deficiencies, still no real go-to scorer, issues on D, no real identity. We'll be basement dwellers all season.
    Yes and this place will be very interesting if you like watching people running around with their hair on fire.
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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    I think the constant references to Bosh and Turk states that thats where theyre basing this season's outcome, but what kinda gets to me is that theyre saying that the raps already struggled when those 2 were in the lineup, what more without them? but like i said, theyre playing a different format now, and we have more than enough players who can score.

    Basketball is a team game, and the raps have enough players who can step up and take charge. just because players are not starters doesnt mean theyre not as good. fisher is the starting PG for the lakers, have you seen him put up monster numbers? his stats are not even close to calderon.

    bottomline is, predictions are doomed from the beginning. you cant really say whats going to happen after 82 games. like i said before, ESPN ranked the raptors 26th pre-season and they ended up winning a division title. go figure.
    But who's really gonna step up? I know you'll say Kleiza and while he looked great at the FIBA WC's, he hasn't proven that he can do it on the NBA stage. Both DeRozan and Weems are raw (as Davis will be when he returns), Amir is still foul prone, Bargnani's having an awful pre-seaon and will have to put up with double-teams for the first time on a consistent basis. All in all, I hope we're a fun bunch to watch with a lot of running, fast breaks and hustle and energy. Leave it all out on the court. However, it's easier said than done.

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    I think the constant references to Bosh and Turk states that thats where theyre basing this season's outcome, but what kinda gets to me is that theyre saying that the raps already struggled when those 2 were in the lineup, what more without them? but like i said, theyre playing a different format now, and we have more than enough players who can score.

    Basketball is a team game, and the raps have enough players who can step up and take charge. just because players are not starters doesnt mean theyre not as good. fisher is the starting PG for the lakers, have you seen him put up monster numbers? his stats are not even close to calderon.

    bottomline is, predictions are doomed from the beginning. you cant really say whats going to happen after 82 games. like i said before, ESPN ranked the raptors 26th pre-season and they ended up winning a division title. go figure.
    Nothing wrong with optimism, and yes the Raptors have surprised when they have been doomed by sports writers in the past. Predictions are calculated guesses so you make plenty of sense.

    When you look at the roster do you really believe their scoring will remain constant, knowing that they won't get to the line as often and there will be less double teams as no player on the roster commands a consistent one? Do you also believe that with the subtraction of Bosh and Hedo that the remaining players will now show their true defensive abilities? It's only preseason but from what I've seen the defence looks equally as bad as last year and unless they are pressing (that full-court stuff got Pitino booted out of the league mind you) I expect similar defensive stats to last year.

    No disputing that basketball is a team game and I agree that Fisher doesn't put up monster numbers.....but he plays with a collection of guys that do. Talent wins and while I agree that just because you are not a starter doesn't mean you are not good, but against teams with unquestionable starters and proven talented players, the Raps would have to play with an energy and level of confidence and basketball IQ that I haven't seen from this team in years to be competitive.

    I would like the Raptors to prove the doubters wrong as I am one of the doubters myself, but I don't see it happening and I'm hoping that at the end of the year we will have the chance to draft or acquire some better talent under the watchful eye of a new GM and coach.

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    I think you'll see teams play tight man to man on the Raptors, daring them to drive.

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    Guys who's going to step up? It doesn't matter on offense. The team has 6 players who can put up 20 points a game. The touches will be shared, this team does not need a super-star to carry the team. There's some things to consider looking at the pre-season stats (which are still important) the team is near the top in most offensive categories and are third in steals. They've outrebounded their opponents. When was the last time you've seen the team do that?

    The fact even with many of the same players as last year this is a completely different team. They are no longer a jump shooting, 3-point shooting, high-free throw %/assist team.

    This is a team that rebounds and forces turnovers. A team that will make the majority of their points in the paint (even without a legitimate post-up game). The offense and defense are completely different than last year.

    My point, is everyone (including myself), crapped on Milwaukee for losing 3 starters last year and they were projected to finish 14th in the conference. How did that turn out? They were a healthy Bogut away from making the second round.

    This is a team that will play close games and get occasionally blown out by some of the better teams. Don't count them out, scrappy teams can surprise a lot people.

    Note: On a side note, yes its only preseason, but the Raptors beat the Knicks in almost every significant statistical category. They are also posting the worst defense in the league. Their the Raptors 2.0, one dominating talent surrounded by jump shooting mediocrity. The team is way way overrated. Who cares about the talent if D'Antoni refuses to coach defense.
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    Come on people!! What do you really expect this year? Who is actually worse than us (on paper at least)??

    Cavs still have 2 all stars, a bunch of really solid role players and a chip on their soldier.

    New Jersey has an awesome coach and are way deeper than last year.

    Beside that, who even comes close? I hope I'm wrong, but this is gonna be a long ass year and most of you are being delusional.
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    ESPN knows shit!
    This team may not win as many games as last year, but IMO it will not be because they are worse than last year, but rather because most other teams in their division and the East in general have improved greatly.
    Getting back to this team versus last years team:
    We have not replaced CB4 offensively or on the boards and their will be some leakage there for sure, HOWEVER;
    Kleiza is a HUGE improvement to Turk both ends of the floor and also has swagger and leadership ability.
    Bargnani will be better as will Amir and Jack, and DeRozan and Weems will both have breakout years.
    Barbosa was a steal and is better than anyone we had coming off the bench last year and will be a huge sprak both ends. Davis will develop into asolid player and will provide depth this year.
    Our depth is better than last year for sure and Anderson is an improvement over Rasho.
    We got rid of ball hog chuckers ( you know who)
    Evans is improved a great deal if only because he did nothing last year.
    This team will get better and better as they play and learn and I expect them to be a nice team to watch by the second half.

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    I'll just say that I don't care what ESPN predicts. They said that we could in 50 games last year. Some analysts said 60. So yeah. I don't get the point of these predictions, it's not important what these guys think, I would rather hear what our players honestly predict.

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